How do Francophones view the o-circumflex "ô" in relation to the letter "o"? Is it a distinct grapheme, or is it considered a variant of "o"?
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iacritical marks are sorted in French in such a funky
way :).
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:03:07PM +0200, Thierry Sourbier wrote:
> The only little thing to know about French and diacritical mark is that when
> doing a sort diacritical mark are evaluated from right to left. (e.g.
> "cote" < "côte" < "coté" vs the English order "cote" < "coté" < "côte" ).
I'
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:12:28PM -0500, Ayers, Mike wrote:
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> > From: David Starner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 01:40 PM
>
> > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:03:07PM +0200, Thierry Sourbier wrote:
> > > The only little thing to know about French and diacriti
> From: David Starner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 01:40 PM
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:03:07PM +0200, Thierry Sourbier wrote:
> > The only little thing to know about French and diacritical
> mark is that when
> > doing a sort diacritical mark are evaluated
My impression is that at least in U.S. states, which are more heavily
populated by native Spanish speakers, the one diacritic, which is
frequently viewed by English speakers as non-optional to differentiate
two words (specifically proper names) is the tilde as used for the
eñe. There is a college
David Starner wrote:
> Yes, but I mean for "cote", "côte, and "coté. How would you
> sort those three in English? I'd probably sort it by some
> extra-lingual information: i.e. page number, date of birth
> or the like.
Store them as UTF-8, do a DOS sort, and call the results
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>> From: David Starner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 01:40 PM
>I would say it is a variant of "o" we just called it... "o with a circumflex
>accent" ("o avec un accent circonflex"). The difference between "o" and "ô"
>is normally audible (for a French speaker). The relationship is the same
>than with any other letter which sometimes have accents (e.g. "a" an
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Ayers, Mike wrote:
>
> > From: David Starner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 01:40 PM
>
> > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:03:07PM +0200, Thierry Sourbier wrote:
> > > The only little thing to know about French and diacritical
> > mark is that
>
> I believe that there is an established sort order in English, which
> is to sort without regard to diacritics, or else we'd never find the
words!
> In English (American English more than British English), diacritics are
> considered optional, and it is common to see "naїve" written "naive", "S
There is also no word pair separated only by the I/J distinction (in English), right?
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>
>Mike.
>
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> From: J M Sykes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 07:50 AM
> The classic example is 'resume' and 'résumé'. These are, by
> now, two quite
> distinct words, and the fact that there is no 'established'
> order is shown
I spell both "resume" and have never
]>
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>
> > From: David Starner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 01:40 PM
>
> There is also no word pair separated only by the I/J
> distinction (in English), right?
iamb - as in iambic pentamater
jamb - as in a door jamb
> From: David Gallardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:07 AM
> As a practical matter, you need to take the diacritics into
> account when
> sorting, even in English where they (may or may not) have linguistic
> significance, otherwise you'll get nondeterministi
From: "David Gallardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> As a practical matter, you need to take the diacritics into account when
> sorting, even in English where they (may or may not) have linguistic
> significance, otherwise you'll get nondeterministic behaviour. In other
> words, résumé and resume should
At 11:50 AM 9/7/01 -0500, Ayers, Mike wrote:
>Words with the
>same spelling and different pronunciation are uncommon but exist in English,
>the classic example being "read" and its own past tense.
Actually, this is a bit more common than you think, since the pronunciation
of vowels in English de
At 01:06 PM 9/7/01 -0400, David Gallardo wrote:
>As a practical matter, you need to take the diacritics into account when
>sorting, even in English where they (may or may not) have linguistic
>significance, otherwise you'll get nondeterministic behaviour. In other
>words, résumé and resume shoul
there are other considerations.
Carl
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> At 11:50 AM 9/7/01 -0500, Ayers, Mike wrote:
> >Words with the
> >same spelling and different pronunciation are uncommon but exist in
English,
> >the classic example being &quo
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In a message dated 2001-09-07 17:19:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
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> You are quite correct that is why Unicode support differing collation
> strengths. Some times you only care about the actual letters without
> diacritics. But even then letters are locale sensitive. F
Doug,
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> In a mes
Hello.
>> For example the Danish alphabet starts with an A and ends it with A
>> ring above. A Dane would look for Alborg near the end of a list of
>> towns.
I was in Aalborg fifteen days ago, and I have seen its name written
both as Ålborg and as Aalborg. Where does Aalborg appear in a list
At 09:04 PM 9/7/01 -0700, Mark Davis wrote:
>I disagree. What you want is a merged database field. See
>http://www.macchiato.com/slides/icu_collation.ppt
>
>Mark
Mark,
David took the remainder of our discussion off the alias. I won't repeat it
here, just to note that we've agreed that merged da
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> In a message dated 2001-09-07 17:19:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> > You are quite correct that is why Unicode support differing
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> Hello.
>
> >> For example the Danish alphabet starts with an A and ends it with A
> >> ring above. A Dane would look for Alborg n
In a message dated 2001-09-08 12:00:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
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> I know the Real Academia Española decided to do away with "ch" and "ll" in
> 1994, but do you know if the other Spanish speaking countries'
corresponding
> academies done the same?
I have no idea. I d
At 02:45 PM 9/8/01 -0700, Mark Davis wrote:
>If you use a Danish tailoring of the UCA that equates Ã
and AA (at least at
>a primary and secondary level), then they will sort the same way. A string
>search that uses the same tailoring will also find "Ã
lborg" when given
>"Aalborg" (and vice versa)
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> Subject: Re: [OT] o-circumflex
>
>
> At 02:45 PM 9/8/01 -0700, Mark Davis wrote:
> >If you
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> Asmus,
>
> This discussion reminds me of my ill fated efforts to produce a manageable
> set of rules to do automatic title casing startin
On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:38:57PM -0700, Carl W. Brown wrote:
> Asmus,
>
> If you are entering Danish city names then enter it as Ålborg. You should
> only use Aalborg where the font does not support Å. For matching logic you
> can equate Å to Aa then the issue of compound words goes away.
we
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To: "Carl W. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:38:57PM -0700, Carl
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 06:04:30PM +0200, Stefan Persson wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Carl W. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: den 9 september 2001 14
Keld Jørn Simonsen scripsit:
> Yes, foreigners call our cities many strange things:-)
> København is called Köpenhamn, Copenhagen, Kobenhagen, Copenhague,
> and many more. Helsingør is called Elsinore.
None of which is as weird as Leghorn for Livorno (Italy).
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John Cowan wrote:
> None of which is as weird as Leghorn for Livorno (Italy).
It's as weird as some Italian names for German cities: Aquisgrana for
Aachen, Augusta for Augsburg, Magonza for Mainz, Monaco (di Baviera) for
München.
_ Marco
Carl W. Brown wrote:
> In Arabic do you include vowels or not?
Yes, and also consonants sometimes...
Traditional Arabic dictionary sorting uses the three-letter root ("radical")
of a word as the primary key. So, "madrasa" (school) would be under "d"
(because its radical is "d-r-s" = to learn),
Asmus Freytag wrote:
> But if you do this, all compound words starting with "data"
> and continuing
> with another word starting with "a" will be sorted incorrectly!
>
> To achieve this effect, you would have to mark which AAs are
> A-Rings and which ones are accidental adjacencies. In Danish
At 18:04 +0200 2001-09-09, Stefan Persson wrote:
> > well, the official spelling of the town is Aalborg.
>
>In Sweden it has always been written "Ålborg."
At one stage, in both countries, it was written Álaborg, I suspect,
as it is in Iceland today.
--
Michael Everson
At 18:10 -0400 2001-09-09, John Cowan wrote:
>Keld Jørn Simonsen scripsit:
>
>> Yes, foreigners call our cities many strange things:-)
>> København is called Köpenhamn, Copenhagen, Kobenhagen, Copenhague,
> > and many more.
In Iceland it is Kaupmannahöfn, I believe. In unadorned English that
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:09:28AM +0200, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> Asmus Freytag wrote:
> > But if you do this, all compound words starting with "data"
> > and continuing
> > with another word starting with "a" will be sorted incorrectly!
> >
> > To achieve this effect, you would have to mark w
From: "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Real-life sorts, like MS Windows sorting or Linux sorting, actually
adheres
> to these Danish rules, once you have set up your machine for Danish.
And this is the *true* answer to the whole mess of attempting *multilingual*
sorts -- once the user
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:09:28AM +0200, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> > Asmus Freytag wrote:
> > > But if you do this, all compound words starting with "data"
> > > and continuing
> > > with another word starting with "a" will be sorted incorrectly!
> > >
> > > To achieve this effect, you would
Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:47:48 +0200, Marco Cimarosti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pisze:
> It's as weird as some Italian names for German cities: Aquisgrana
> for Aachen, Augusta for Augsburg, Magonza for Mainz, Monaco (di
> Baviera) for München.
Interesting that Polish names of these cities are more like It
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:58:05PM +0200, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:09:28AM +0200, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> > > Asmus Freytag wrote:
> > > > But if you do this, all compound words starting with "data"
> > > > and continuing
> > > > with another word starting with "a"
From: "Mark Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Michael, that isn't the point. There is a problem even when you stick to
one
> language.
>
> That is, there are situations where two letters in a language, e.g. "ch"
in
> Slovak, are normally sorted as one. However, in some exceptional
> circumstances thos
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:42:45 +0200, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
> But maybe you are driving for a yet more complex sorting, one that can sort
> according to multiple rules? Beijing should then not be sorted as Beÿing?
I haven't followed this discussion from the beginning, so apologies if
I'm missin
John Wilcock wrote:
> I haven't followed this discussion from the beginning, so apologies if
> I'm missing the point, but it seems to me that the Beijing case in
> Dutch is no different from the ekstraarbejde case in Danish - a SHY or
> ZWNJ is all that is needed to stop Beijing sorting with Bey.
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>Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:47:48 +0200, Marco Cima
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> John Wilcock wrote:
> > I haven&#x
Stefan Persson wrote:
> I thought "ij" sorted after "z?"
Not in Dutch: as far as I have seen it sorts the same as "y". In fact, in
the telephone directory many people who had an "y" in their surname listed
near people who had the same surname spelled with "ij" (e.g. "Meyer" and
"Meijer").
(Anyw
and "o" in a
Swedish encyclopædia.
In Swedish the Danish/Norwegian letter "æ" is sorted as "ä," while the
Latin/Icelandic letter "æ" is sorted as "ae."
Stefan
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, [ISO-2022-JP] $B$F$s$I$&$j$e$&$8(B wrote:
> If they can't agree on the pronunciation for these cities, can they
> agree on the Hanzi for them? What ARE the Hanzi for these cities,
> anyway??
Are you asking for the names of cities in Chinese? Copenhagen is
ge1ben3ha1gen1 \
Where is this done for swedish? I have read both the TN and the SIS
standard, and I dont believe these say something on sorting
ü according to either German or Dutch sounds. Rolf Gavare does not
say something along this either, as far as I can remember.
Kind regards
keld
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* Carl W. Brown
|
| You are quite correct that is why Unicode support differing
| collation strengths. Some times you only care about the actual
| letters without diacritics. But even then letters are locale
| sensitive. For example the Danish alphabet starts with an A and
| ends it with A ri
* Francesco Zappa Nardelli
|
| I was in Aalborg fifteen days ago, and I have seen its name written
| both as Ålborg and as Aalborg. Where does Aalborg appear in a list
| of towns?
At the end.
In both Danish and Norwegian 'aa' and 'å' are considered equivalent.
I am not sure of this, but I thi
* Jonathan Rosenne
|
| This is not always the right thing to do. For example, with personal
| names the person involved may decide whether he prefers the old (AA)
| spelling or the new Å. In any case they are equivalent.
This is true, but this is nothing particular to the aa/å distinction.
Many
* Keld Jørn Simonsen
|
| Yes, foreigners call our cities many strange things:-) København is
| called Köpenhamn, Copenhagen, Kobenhagen, Copenhague, and many more.
* Michael Everson
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| In Iceland it is Kaupmannahöfn, I believe. In unadorned English that
| would be something like Cheapmenshaven
* Marco Cimarosti
|
| One of these cases could be the word "dataarkiv", which I found in a Danish
| web page
| (http://www.riksarkivet.no/nordiskarknytt/98-nr4/institusjonen.html).
Uh, no, you found it in a Norwegian web page. The word is the same in
Danish, though.
| Order B:
|
On 09/10/2001 07:48:05 AM Michael \(michka\) Kaplan wrote:
>(can't believe this thread is still going on!)
I just wanted to know about how Francophones perceive certain graphemes,
and I got that answer a long time ago.
Peter
>> It's as weird as some Italian names for German cities: Aquisgrana
>> for Aachen, Augusta for Augsburg, Magonza for Mainz, Monaco (di
>> Baviera) for München.
MK> Interesting that Polish names of these cities are more like Italian
MK> than German: Akwizgran, Augsburg, Moguncja, Monachium.
Beca
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> Subject: RE: [OT] o-circumflex
>
>
> Stefan P
oman
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>On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, [ISO-2022-JP] $B$F$s$I$&$j$e$&$8(B wrote:
>
>> If they can
Wy OT by now...
> AAARRRGGHHH
>
> I give up!
>
> I was hoping that there is SOME system that would give these cities UNIQUE names...
>postal codes???
Ain't reality a bitch?
What you're looking for doesn't exist in the world of natural language
names -- it can only exist in artificially c
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> Where is this done for swedish? I have read both the TN and the SIS
> standard, and I dont believe these say something on sorting
> ü according to either German or
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> I am not sure of this, but I think 'å' is a relatively modern
> invention, and that
chael (michka) Kaplan"
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> > Where is this done for swedish? I have read both th
* Lars Marius Garshol
|
| I am not sure of this, but I think 'å' is a relatively modern
| invention, and that it was originally written only as 'aa'.
* Stefan Persson
|
| FYI, "a relatively modern invention" means that is has been used
| since the Medieval (in Swedish).
I don't think that is t
David,
I also don't know if the other countries have academies, but my
understanding is Latin American countries haven't accepted the modern
sort. Having said that, there is a lot of software that does not
implement the traditional sort, so "acceptance" is moot.
(The reason the Real Academia Españ
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> David,
> I also don't know if the other countries have academies, but my
> understanding is Latin American countries haven't accepted th
English and several other languages have dozens of collations. Compare telephone
books, library catalogs, book indexes (sic), and other sorted data. Knuth vol. 3
Sorting and Searching gives an example of a set of library sorting rules that runs to
more than a page, and suggests programming it a
be the right kind of girl for you,
I could never be your woman
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r myNorwegian = new RuleBasedCollator(Norwegian);
There is also syntax for things such as specifying reverse order (for French
accents for example), contraction and expansion.
- David Gallardo
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> Java's collation class has a rule-based collator that is in effect
>
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:40:30AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
: For example,
:
: 1984 (Nineteen Eighty Four)
: 1066 and all that (Ten Sixty Six)
: 3001 (Three Thousand One)
: 2050 (Twenty Fifty)
: 2010 (Twenty Ten)
: 2001, A Space Odyssey (Two Thousand One)
You're missing the "and" from 3001 a
would give the wrong
rendering.
Mark
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Mark Davis wrote:
> A ZWNJ will break ligatures and cursive connections. While probably safe in
> Danish or Dutch, it is unclear to me that that is safe in all languages
> where this situation occurs. There are diagraphs in Urdu, for example. While
> I don't know their sortin
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