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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the Democrats need to do is to get this message into the "heartland". [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: With all due respect... Those with the vision of the anointed seem to think that if people disagree with them, they simply didn't get the message throu

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William H. Magill wrote: L a s e r B e a m ® wrote: why are we being asked to 'talk to each other' in terms of religious values? when we live in a secular democracy? This is actually the heart of the matter. And it is why the "right" cannot dialog with the "left." fixed that for ya, bill®! the

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In a message dated 11/6/2004 6:01:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am aware of only one international organization existent today which is in fact multi-Religious, which preaches and practices morals and values common to all Religions. That fact alone has caused virtually

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William H. McGill wrote: >A "secular democracy" is as much a State Religion as is the >Anglican church. I can't recall ever hearing anyone discussing a "secular democracy" - or anything reasonably similar in sense to those words - ever suggest it included a belief in some sort of supernatural be

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values?

On 05 Nov, 2004, at 14:19, L a s e r B e a m ® wrote: Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: What the Democrats need to do is to get this message into the "heartland". It might be a good idea to start a left-wing religious values campaign now, in a gentle way, so that in four years it's an accepted part of t

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

On 05 Nov, 2004, at 09:31, Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: In their conversations with Kerry supporters about their concerns about Kerry, they heard, "What, you're one of those neanderthals who still supports school prayer, and wants to eliminate abortions and homosexuality! What's next, eliminating a

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Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: From: L_a_s_e_r_B_e_a_m_=AE?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:19:38 -0500 Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: > What the Democrats need to do > is to get this message into the "heartland". It might be a good idea > to start a left-wing reli

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Whatever else you may think of them, an inescapable fact about "the hoi polloi" is that they are intrinsically ungrammatical. "Hoi" means "the" in Greek and "polloi" means, roughly, "masses." So "the hoi polloi" translates as "the the masses." It's a little like saying, "the La Raza" or "the

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

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On Nov 5, 2004, at 12:20 PM, Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: Hmmm, left-wing televangelists... Listen to the Unitarians... GJJ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .

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Title: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values? With all due respect.. I have spent my life’s work trying to sell higher thought and education to the great unwashed masses in the School District of Philadelphia. Each succeeding year it has gotten harder (28 years and counting) and I can tell

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values

Title: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values You forgot to mention that luckily for the hoi polloi, it's also a stronghold of those who have the vision of the anointed. Unfortunately, the “hoi polloi” are the very common folk and not the cultural, intellectual or financial elite. Wilma  

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From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:55:30 -0500 This is all predicated on the idea that there's one real truth, and that if we all talk about it rationally with each other, we all might arrive at it. Sort of center in on it, like triangulate all

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:51:13 EST In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the Democrats need to do is to get this message into the "heartland". With all due respect... Those with the

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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_a_s_e_r_B_e_a_m_=AE?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:19:38 -0500 Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: > What the Democrats need to do > is to get this message into the "heartland". It might be a good idea > to start a left-wing religious values

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Cc: Dubin, Elisabeth; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:51:13 EST In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the Democrats need to do is t

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listserv Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values? From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:09:57 -0500 I think what Chip wrote here is pretty interesting. My problem this election was not the holding back from calling people Nean

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In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the Democrats need to dois to get this message into the "heartland".  With all due respect...   Those with the vision of the anointed seem to think that if people disagree with them, they sim

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In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I once talked to a friend of mine, who was something of a Christiantheologian, and I told her that everytime I heard about Christianvalues, it was always something I opposed.  She explained thatleft-wing Ch

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But can't you just FOR ONCE not have to try to divide everybody up and set up opposing sides? After our recent extraordinary election, for a moment let me take off my rose colored glasses and my Cheshire cat grin. craig®, did you see t

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Charles H. Buchholtz wrote: What the Democrats need to do is to get this message into the "heartland". It might be a good idea to start a left-wing religious values campaign now, in a gentle way, so that in four years it's an accepted part of the political dialogue. I disagree! why are we being a

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

Jon Moore said: "...Probably the best single thing each of us needs to do, for the good of America, is to find someone who voted the other way, and really try to understand *why* they voted the way they did. The vast majority of Americans are reasonable, decent folks (on b

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Amen, Jon. Amen. Thanks for clarifying, Al. Dan W. > Probably the best single thing each of us needs to do, for the good of > America, is to find someone who voted the other way, and really try to > understand *why* they voted the way they did. This is what I take away from "love thy neighbor"

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

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ience. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Moore Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAI

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In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:04:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably the best single thing each of us needs to do, for the good ofAmerica, is to find someone who voted the other way, and really try tounderstand *why* they voted the way they did. Great t

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values?

From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:09:57 -0500 I think what Chip wrote here is pretty interesting. My problem this election was not the holding back from calling people Neanderthals part, but rather not having enough "opponents" to talk rational

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

Title: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America Hadn’t you heard “the masses are asses”? Simply because the common man or the street rapper thinks so doesn’t mean it is necessarily what is best for all.   I do not find it difficult to fathom, rather to the contrary I

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Nothing made this as clear to me as the defeat of the gay marriage | propositions in all 11 states where it was on the ballot. It would be | encouraging if the people who advocated this position really examined | why it proved

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values that you don't share

In a message dated 11/5/2004 10:53:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, thanks for the advice about the tree thing. Just as I contacted you re trees from the list, off list, the same is happening regarding this political schism.   Changing your mind never

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

Well, their marketing strategy certainly must have broken down very strictly along racial lines as I and other people of color that I know of did not receive any such calls or literature. If others have please advise. Although some of my white friends did hear from the likes of Sean Combs. How's

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636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:22 PM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's Ame

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

After the revelations of torture at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, a poll found that 42% of Americans did not object to torturing enemy prisoners during wartime. No doubt many of them were sincere Christians, whatever that means. The problem with welcoming Neanderthals into the discussion or into your bi

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

In a message dated 11/5/2004 10:20:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you please dumb it down for non-annointed folks like myself?  What areyou trying to say in that paragraph?  What is your position? It's my belief that prejudices against single-sex relatio

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D] On Behalf Of Charles H. Buchholtz Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:31 AM To: Stephen Fisher Cc: Wilma de Soto; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions... From: Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004

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policies hurt them. >What is the name of the book and has anyone read it?? > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Nov 5, 2004 9:27 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's Ame

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has anyone read it??-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 5, 2004 9:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America In a message dated 11/5/2004 9:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

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D] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America In a message dated 11/4/2004 7:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But can't you just FOR ONCE not

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

In a message dated 11/5/2004 9:21:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How these people fingered me as RC is mysterious. There was a rumor that for at least one previous election the Church released its membership DB to help a pro life candidate. No other specifics availa

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

> Nothing made this as clear to me as the defeat of the gay marriage > propositions in all 11 states where it was on the ballot. It would be encouraging > if > the people who advocated this position really examined why it proved to be > unacceptable to the majority of the voters -- rather th

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

From: Stephen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:56:02 -0500 It was a real eye-opener that people feel so strongly about abortion and gay rights that they are willing to overlook everything else -- EVEN a war they didn't necessarily believe in or a President wi

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In a message dated 11/5/2004 9:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's just been a book (I didn't buy it when I first read the review and now can't remember the title or author -- can someone help, here?) that discussed the idea of the collective wisdom of the populace

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 10:43:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No matter how you try to twist the statistics, and might I say without humor, the ordinary people of America soundly repudiated you blues. This is at the core of the point I've been making. The mas

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Wilma de Soto wrote: > Was there an underground campaign of fear directed solely at them, ( a > largely mono-cultural, non-diverse group) that caused them to vote the way > they did in spite of their dire economic straits, AND an overt campaign > regarding National Security

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Actually Wilma I did receive literature from the RNC attacking (deamonizing) a local candidate soley on the ground that she was pro-gay marriage. There was no other information on the literature about the candidate or other issues to consider. It was a real eye-opener that people feel so stron

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions...

Title: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions... Dear Craig, Understandably you are elated to have your candidate win.  I respect your choice. I do have a few questions though.  Why is it AFTER the election do we find out that the BIG deciding issue was family values? As a

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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 11/4/04 6:33:15 PM, Krfapt writes: > > > Hit a raw nerve, did I? Sounds like guilty feelings to me. > > Al > > _ > Not a raw nerve at all, and you know very well that I actually don't even > DISLIKE you, you crusty

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 7:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/4/04 6:33:15 PM, Krfapt writes: Hit a raw nerve, did I? Sounds like guilty feelings to me.Al_Not a raw nerve at all, and you know very well that I actually don't even DI

Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America

In a message dated 11/4/2004 7:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But can't you just FOR ONCE not have to try to divide everybody up and set up opposing sides?  After our recent extraordinary election, for a moment let me take off my rose colored glasses and m

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In a message dated 11/4/04 6:33:15 PM, Krfapt writes: Hit a raw nerve, did I? Sounds like guilty feelings to me. Al _ Not a raw nerve at all, and you know very well that I actually don't even DISLIKE you, you crusty old curmudgeon.  But can't you just FOR ONCE not have to try to

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In a message dated 11/4/04 5:49:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/4/2004 12:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <> You forgot to mention that luckily for the hoi polloi, it's also a stronghold of those who have the vision of the anointed. Al Krigman

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 12:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For all its faults, West Philly is in fact a bastion of rationality and tolerance. You forgot to mention that luckily for the hoi polloi, it's also a stronghold of those who have the vision of th

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Wills notes in today's New York Times that more Americans believe in the Virgin Birth than in the theory of evolution. Maureen Dowd writes about some of the rising stars of the new consensus on moral values: "Tom Coburn, the new senator from Oklahoma, has advocated

[UC] The Triumph of Moral Values

Gary Wills notes in today's New York Times that more Americans believe in the Virgin Birth than in the theory of evolution. Maureen Dowd writes about some of the rising stars of the new consensus on moral values:   "Tom Coburn, the new senator from Oklahoma, has advocated the death penalty for do