Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

On 6/8/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Request submitted for your voting pleasue: My comments applied to the enhancement request: "I vote against this...(Can I add negative votes?). This functionality can easily be had

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

On 6/8/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But even without a formal open source process, Kevin has said that if someone makes a patcher for the IDE which applies any such changes, they could easily run it to evaluate them and would consider including them. Yep. Sarah and I can a

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

On 6/8/07, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: www.torry.net Here's a summary of what the site holds in terms of source code, products etc: Authors total: 4179 Products total: 8703 Files total: 10330 Wow! That guy's the definition of prolific. Wonder when he sleeps? __

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

Probably only if he were wearing just the *right* pin-striped shirt ;-) Judy On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Scott Kane wrote: > > BTW - I just noticed I wrote in the subject line "HUG" and not "HIG". > > Right now I certainly would not be "HUG" ing my users though "HIG" ing > > them

Re: WAR ON BUGS [WAS Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev, would do this?)]

Thanks Jacque! :-* Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Richard Gaskin wrote: So if RunRev added an "Automatically Check for Updates" feature to compliment the the existing "Check for Updates" menu item, these sorts of threads would go away? :) Bob Warren wrote: They would, they would! Richard Gaskin wrote: Request submitted for your voting

Re: Curious QT playback problem

Devin Asay wrote: Jacque, You said the user has QT Pro, right? That means she can save movies from the QT player. Is it possible that she has opened and saved the movies after having played them to the end? So that the "currentTime" is in effect saved with the movie. Would that then cause the

Re: Moving an Object into a Group

Gregory Lypny wrote: Hi Bill and André, Thanks for replying. I used the same steps as you, Bill, and I just tried it again without success. I have a group; I drag out a new button, copy it; click "Edit Group" on the menu palette; and paste. No button appears, and only the original shows in

Re: Moving an Object into a Group

Do you use the keyboard or select copy from the menu? Try the menu Jim Ault Las Vegas On 6/8/07 9:01 PM, "Gregory Lypny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Bill and André, > > Thanks for replying. I used the same steps as you, Bill, and I just > tried it again without success. I have a group; I

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

From: "Björnke von Gierke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can set the stack style or mode to modeless. That makes the stack always be in run mode within the rev ide, but you get pinstripes. You could check for the environment <> "development", and then set the style accordingly. The stripes will use

Re: Moving an Object into a Group

Hi Bill and André, Thanks for replying. I used the same steps as you, Bill, and I just tried it again without success. I have a group; I drag out a new button, copy it; click "Edit Group" on the menu palette; and paste. No button appears, and only the original shows in the Application

Re: Simple database question: tags

David, it's not that hard to figure out... Why don't you get an install of Gallery2, install it, and then see how they do the MySQL ? It comes with schema and starting data for a server. You may have to install it first, but then you can dump the schema with CocoaMySQL to look at it. Most of

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

Authors total: 4179 Products total: 8703 Files total: 10330 I hit send to quickly. I meant to add - imagine that on a per-capita scale for Rev. I can, frankly. I'd like to see it happen. Free source snippets, commercial (for sale) source snippets, libraries etc et al. Would Rev users p

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I remember it well as I had spent a bunch of time creating it, only to end up killing it based upon your loud objections of being there first. I expected great things from your subsequent offering-- which never came ('in 2 weeks' was what you said). M

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

From: "Ian Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Have a look at 'the systemversion'. Working out what version of OS X an app is running on is pretty trivial. Thanks, Ian (sound of me kicking myself) - I've seen that before and forgotten about it. Scott __

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ah - way back. though I dont remember anything about RROpenSource. Actually I did set up a project on SourceForge, I remember it well as I had spent a bunch of time creating it, only to end up killing it based upon your loud objections of be

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

From: "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe if you hugged them, they'd leave you alone. ;) I've tried, Jacqueline, I've tried. But one of their number is a failed programmer and a failed Mac programmer at that. He's a tough nut to crack and he tends to lead the charge which the others

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe that was a mistake, and all it ever takes it pig headed stubborness and following through - but without encouraging signs from RunRev itself or a subset of the list - well maybe its not such a good idea after all? A "subset of the list". No off

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

Scott Kane wrote: BTW - I just noticed I wrote in the subject line "HUG" and not "HIG". Right now I certainly would not be "HUG" ing my users though "HIG" ing them sounds interesting. Maybe if you hugged them, they'd leave you alone. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

From: "Björnke von Gierke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted" G'day Björnke, You can set the stack style or mode to modeless. That makes the stack always be in run mode within the r

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

BTW - I just noticed I wrote in the subject line "HUG" and not "HIG". Right now I certainly would not be "HUG" ing my users though "HIG" ing them sounds interesting. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please vi

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

From: "Jim Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you... go to the card inspector > colors & patterns > click Background ( backgroundPattern ) go to Standard Icons > second from last row - next to last standard icon is a pinstripe Card goes pinstripe with that particular version of pinstripe. That

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

On 7 Jun 2007, at 4:59, Brian Yennie wrote: Snip. I wouldn't mind seeing Rev follow a similar path. What if, for example, you had the *paid* option to move from 2.9 to 2.9.1, 2.9.2, 2.9.3, 2.9.4 and so on instead of jumping to 3.0? I'm guessing many users here would pay for the option to s

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

On 08/06/07, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In 2002, I built an website titled "RROpenSource" which had the ability for users to contribute Open Source RR projects online. Ready to launch, I disclosed it only to a few, I believe you i

Re: Simple database question: tags

Hey thanks! Its a reasonable start - though something standard like SQL create stuff or dumps would be better - no? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscript

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are reasons that there are very very few robust developer contributed libraries in our community while there are good ones in python and ruby, and OK ones in php. This can and should change, and a carefully planned open source strategy wou

Re: Moving an Object into a Group

Worked fine for me on Windows... 1. Drag out four buttons and group them 2. Drag out a field 3. Copy the field 4. Click the Group 5. Click "Edit Group" on the menu palette 6. Paste Field appears within the group as expected... What are the actual steps you're using, Gregory? If you're skipping t

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Bob Warren wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: So if RunRev added an "Automatically Check for Updates" feature to compliment the the existing "Check for Updates" menu item, these sorts of threads would go away? :) They would, they would! Request submitted for your voting pleasue:

Re: Simple database question: tags

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/sql/dataschema/default.aspx On 6/8/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks all - its a pity there are no existing sources for classic schema you can copy and modify? ___ use-revolution mailing list u

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Bob Warren wrote: > The real reason behind all of this is the fact that I am fascinated by > the vision of a dancing "Rev Online" icon at the top of my IDE window to > tell me that bug-fix downloads are available! :-D Richard Gaskin wrote: So if RunRev added an "Automatically Check for U

Re: Curious QT playback problem

please please please delete me from your database please. regards Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jacque, You said the user has QT Pro, right? That means she can save movies from the QT player. Is it possible that she has opened and saved the movies after having played them t

Re: Moving an Object into a Group

Hi Gregory, That works here on MacPro Intel, 10.4.9 and Rev 2.8.1 Best regards from Grenoble André Le 8 juin 07 à 21:58, Gregory Lypny a écrit : Hello everyone, This is an old problem that I'm surprised to find in 2.8.1. I create a field outside of a group. Later I decide that I want that

Re: Curious QT playback problem

Jacque, You said the user has QT Pro, right? That means she can save movies from the QT player. Is it possible that she has opened and saved the movies after having played them to the end? So that the "currentTime" is in effect saved with the movie. Would that then cause the movie to open

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

On 08/06/07, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good OSS is here to solve a problem. Usually a problem that is not being solved by the mainstream players. The good ones are also managed like a "enterprise", so again, what is the problem that an OSS RunRev would solve? I see nothing wrong ri

Re: Simple database question: tags

Thanks all - its a pity there are no existing sources for classic schema you can copy and modify? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: h

Moving an Object into a Group

Hello everyone, This is an old problem that I'm surprised to find in 2.8.1. I create a field outside of a group. Later I decide that I want that field to be part of the group, but when I cut or copy the field and then edit the group, pasting does nothing. How can I move an existing objec

Re: WAR ON BUGS [WAS Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev, would do this?)]

Bob Warren wrote: When you mentioned "the roadmap" I was taken aback. What roadmap? "Enterprise" license holders and those who have the money to travel to conferences are undoubtedly more in the know because they are paying for it, but ordinary "Studio" license holders such as myself have litt

Re: There's no place like Home

On Jun 8, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: For the Rev Pro, their Home stack would look exactly like their company splash screen. The option to hide the Home Stack would still be there, and obviously you could 'Sta

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Richard Gaskin wrote: But even without a formal open source process, Kevin has said that if someone makes a patcher for the IDE which applies any such changes, they could easily run it to evaluate them and would consider including them. - Thank

Re: WAR ON BUGS [WAS Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev, would do this?)]

Stephen Barncard wrote: At 4:12 PM -0300 6/7/07, Bob Warren wrote: 1. RR should provide feature releases on a regular basis. We pay for them. And we'll be getting them. It's in the roadmap, and Kevin is sticking to it. >2. We do not pay for bugfixes. The manufacturer is just putting >right

Re: There's no place like Home

J. Landman Gay wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: For the Rev Pro, their Home stack would look exactly like their company splash screen. The option to hide the Home Stack would still be there, and obviously you could 'Start New Project' from a Menu, but the result would be t

Re: Simple database question: tags

On 8/6/07 6:25 PM, "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > google uses a filesystem... yes, that's no relational database. It's > not like GoogleSQL it's more like GoogleFS. > > David, > > First try to learn basics of SQL, you can go to W3Schools Learn SQL > page

Re: There's no place like Home

Tereza Snyder wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: For the Rev Pro, their Home stack would look exactly like their company splash screen. The option to hide the Home Stack would still be there, and obviously you could 'Start New Project' from a Menu, but the result would be

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

Dag Eddie, Hi Eddie, hi eric, thanks (wow, this is a great list) this looks more complicated then I hoped it would be. :-D please don't get me wrong, this big smile was meant for Eric and his ehm... bombastic style ;-) Groetjes uit duitsland Klaus Major ___

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

On 8 Jun 2007, at 13:25, Scott Kane wrote: They are being really picky over this and as there is no way (that I know of) of getting Rev to identify which OSX is running so I have to choose one. Have a look at 'the systemversion'. Working out what version of OS X an app is running on is p

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Hello. Another option could be having a gap between the "Latest and Greatest" version of Revolution and an older version opened under open source say, for instance, 2.5. As upgrades are made to the cutting edge version (Which you would pay for), older versions would be open sourced as wel

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

I second that. As a RunRev user but also someone who does large projects in PHP/MySQL (both open source tools, in spite of MySQL's wonky licensing), this definitely rings true. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a solution for RunRev, but here is one facet which I find interesting which *mayb

Re: Curious QT playback problem

Jacque, This is a stab in the dark, but from a logical standpoint, could this be happening: 1) User starts first movie 2) For whatever reason, it takes more than 250 milliseconds to actually start playing 3) Timer sees that currentTime hasn't changed, think the movie is done (in reality,

Re: Legacy stack woes II -- Restated

Rob Cozens wrote: Consider the number of potentially affected users: the subset of Rev users still using only older versions, If the issue were simply that developers have not chosen to upgrade to current-format versions, I would ignore the issue and release all stacks in the current format.

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

On 6/8/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bob Warren wrote: > The real reason behind all of this is the fact that I am fascinated by > the vision of a dancing "Rev Online" icon at the top of my IDE window to > tell me that bug-fix downloads are available! :-D Bob, you know you don'

Re: Simple database question: tags

google uses a filesystem... yes, that's no relational database. It's not like GoogleSQL it's more like GoogleFS. David, First try to learn basics of SQL, you can go to W3Schools Learn SQL page then you can try using RevSQL or Valentina to play with SQL

Re: Legacy stack woes II -- Restated

Richard, et al: Consider the number of potentially affected users: the subset of Rev users still using only older versions, If the issue were simply that developers have not chosen to upgrade to current-format versions, I would ignore the issue and release all stacks in the current format

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Bob Warren wrote: The real reason behind all of this is the fact that I am fascinated by the vision of a dancing "Rev Online" icon at the top of my IDE window to tell me that bug-fix downloads are available! :-D So if RunRev added an "Automatically Check for Updates" feature to compliment the

Re: Legacy stack woes II -- Restated

All, Is it possible to distribute a "source" stack for other developers to use to build a standalone in a single format that can be used by all versions of the Distribution Builder? Best I've come up with 1. Add DB settings to current-format stack. 2. Convert stack to Legacy format. 3. Shi

Re: Legacy stack woes II -- Restated

Rob Cozens wrote: Is it possible to distribute a "source" stack for other developers to use to build a standalone in a single format that can be used by all versions of the Distribution Builder? If build settings are included in the source stack, older versions of the Distribution Builder won

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

I don't believe that SF and Freshmeat numbers can really be trusted. They measure activity based on interaction with their site using some math. Most OSS software also have their own page with mirrors and the like, this traffic and interaction is not measured by SF or Freshmeat. I think that the

Legacy stack woes II -- Restated

Jacque, Richard, et al: Let me ask this another way: Is it possible to distribute a "source" stack for other developers to use to build a standalone in a single format that can be used by all versions of the Distribution Builder? If build settings are included in the source stack, older vers

Re: Unexpected quits in 2.8.1

Now it won't quit. Once I turned the screensaver off for three hours, and the stack played happily by itself, I turned the screensaver/sleep mode back on and went to bed. This morning, the stack is still going, no quits. Very strange. It was quitting consistently prior to turning the SS/sl

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

thanks eric, I'll try and figure it all out. still learning what handlers and tag marks and all that stuff are but I am learning as I go. best regards eddie d Hi Eddie, if time is < 12 go stack morning Actually it is what it makes :-) You need a reference: this one is given by conver

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

Correction, little typo occured: ## Now thelast option: evening to midnicht... if tHour >= 18 AND tHour < 24 then go stack "Evening stack" end if end opensthecorrectstackaccordingtothecurrentdaytime Best Klaus ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

Hi Eddie, hi eric, thanks (wow, this is a great list) this looks more complicated then I hoped it would be. :-D I was hoping you could just read the system time and have it do stuff according to that. (like if time is < 12 go stack morning) but I'll try this. were do I put this, in the mai

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: Right. Defining our own syntax would give us that. We would want an improved externals interface of course). I would love to have english like syntax wrapped around the QT external or a database library. Hopefully someday. Spinnaker Plus (

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

Hi Eddie, if time is < 12 go stack morning Actually it is what it makes :-) You need a reference: this one is given by converting the short date to seconds. What is nice is that conversion gives you the seconds at 0:00 then you are firmly anchored :-) As Tiemo told you, you are not obli

Re: AW: AW: newbie video player questions

hi tiemo, this sounds interesting and more compact. but I'll have to ajust eric's time solution to not use substacks. and can I use random numbers that way? thanks eddie Hello Eddie, as always, there are more than one approach. But if you don't use different substaks the maintenance and progra

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

hi eric, thanks (wow, this is a great list) this looks more complicated then I hoped it would be. I was hoping you could just read the system time and have it do stuff according to that. (like if time is < 12 go stack morning) but I'll try this. were do I put this, in the main stack or in each

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Scott Kane wrote: Question is - how are some of you solving this? I've read the archives of the list that I could find discussing this but most of the discussion is about using images to fake the pinstripe, which bring me back to square one. If you... go to

Re: There's no place like Home

On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: For the Rev Pro, their Home stack would look exactly like their company splash screen. The option to hide the Home Stack would still be there, and obviously you could 'Start New Project' from a Menu, but the result would be the same, your Spla

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

hi Scott You can set the stack style or mode to modeless. That makes the stack always be in run mode within the rev ide, but you get pinstripes. You could check for the environment <> "development", and then set the style accordingly. The stripes will use the current OS appearance manager, an

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

Hi Eddie, Le 8 juin 07 à 14:19, eddie d a écrit : so now I need to figure out how to let it go to a certain substack on a specific time. I thought I make a subtack for 'morning' one for 'afternoon' and one for 'evening' and in each stack are a number of cards with a videoplayer any idea o

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

Add some more beta testers... (to dilute their vote) Sadly that's not an option at this time. The market is small enough. But thanks as it is something I've considered. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Pleas

AW: AW: newbie video player questions

Hello Eddie, as always, there are more than one approach. But if you don't use different substaks the maintenance and programming is less. You do only need different substacks, if you need more than one window. Just think about a good name set (morning_01, morning_02, afternoon_01, ...) of your car

Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

Add some more beta testers... (to dilute their vote) On 6/8/07, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, I have an app in beta (actually a couple, but the Mac one is giving me the headaches). Basically the group of Mac users are six people interested in the field the app aims to assist

Re: Simple database question: tags

You are asking an interesting question. There is lots of information on database design (which includes schema) but the type of database design you want is more like what they do on the big search engines. When google indexes everything and builds a table of keywords -- I don't even know what they

HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"

Hi folks, I have an app in beta (actually a couple, but the Mac one is giving me the headaches). Basically the group of Mac users are six people interested in the field the app aims to assist (it's a database program of reasonable complexity). Try as I might I can't get these guys (and girls

Re: AW: newbie video player questions

hello tiemo thanks for the quick reply. the script is in the card of each player. there is no button on the card. just the onmouse command. but somehow I just seem to have solved this problem by using a specific card number with' go card' and not 'next'. now it goes to the specified card after p

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

On 08/06/07, Robert Brenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What this requires is that the development and public releases are branched in the sense of CVS. That is the missing ingredient for Rev which blocks separating bugfix releases from development of next version. And a no-brainer for them.

Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

Wow! Thaks for the post Chipp - always good to have some hard facts. 2000 out of *150,114* projects - really is that all? That makes 2/150 - or less that 1% of projects! I would have guessed it as more like 20% How many non-open source software projects end up in the scrap heap - more of less t

AW: newbie video player questions

Hi d, where did you put your scripts? The playstopped message is sent to the player - and will be forwarded to the card and stack - but not to any button (I think). So try to put the playstopped handler into the card script. Remember toset the currenttime of player "avond" to zero before you st

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Let me make the suggestion more explicit in the hope that either its merits will be discussed, or it will be torn to pieces: 1. RR should provide feature releases on a regular basis. We pay for them. 2. We do not pay for bugfixes. The manufacturer is just putting right what he has done wrong.

newbie video player questions

hello all, for severalweeks I am trying to move my video installations from Amiga with Director (yes I know but it worked well up till now but the old machine are starting to fall apart) to Mac (mini) using Revolution. I know nothing about programming and very little about scripts. basicall

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Downloaded - and wow - thats a blast from the past - pretty cute :) On 08/06/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you -- or any of the other open source advocates here -- would be interested in exploring new ground in an open source IDE which runs under the Rev engine, here's the UR

Re: Unexpected quits in 2.8.1

Hiya, Is the drive set to spin down? Check in the System Prefs. BTW, I've found that if I have a QT component playing the screensaver doesn't come on: This is expected, you don't want the screensaver to come on half-way through a movie. Haven't tried it with an 'invisible' player though.

Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

Chipp rightly points out that there are very many open source projects which are started, and then wither. He points to the 2,000 or so low activity projects on SourceForge. He could also point to a high proportion of the distributions on DistroWatch. On the other hand, in programming envi

[OT] NeoOffice

I work with a lot of .doc files in Bulgarian Cyrillic which have originated with versions of MSWord on Windows XP. MSOffice 2004 for Mac screws up the Cyrillic. NeoOffice opens the document up with the Cyrillic readable and formatted. Open Office for Mac is similarly reliable; but it is a bit cl

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

From: "Bob Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Obviously, for a 9-month feature development cycle, there would need to be a strictly-defined "cutoff" point so that adequate public beta testing could begin (say at 6 months?). I have to agree with you here that a longer version cycle with bug fixes re