Re: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
Your discussion of a "struts signature" shows once again you don't have a clue beyond fairly simple amateur topics, Xu. On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank Yan Hu for giving this site. > > It seems they run on Netscape-Enterprise/6.0. However, I did not see struts' > sign

Re: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
Xy, where is the column that makes you a oolumnist? On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Show us a portal application. > > or anything you think was decent. (not hello world. -) > > I know some also but they seems not developed by D.J. (joking) > > Jack H. Xu > Technology colum

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
What is your basis for your assessment of .NET and Struts? What sort of problem are you talking about/ On 7/2/05, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:32:00AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: > } Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
You mgiht check out the difference between libel, slander and per se libel versus the garden variety type. And, if you think that the internet gives you any sort of immunity, you are in for a surprise, grasshopper. On 7/2/05, Aleksandar Matijaca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/2/05, Dakota Jack

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
You know what a "canard" is Newton? On 7/2/05, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dakota Jack wrote: > > >The first person who steps far enough over the line is going to be > >slammed with a lawsuit by yours truly. You are getting close > >Friedman. Impish grin that! > > > > > *rotflmao*

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
I am a lawyer. I suggest you stop trying to analyse the law. You have no clue. On 7/2/05, Aleksandar Matijaca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/2/05, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The first person who steps far enough over the line is going to be > > slammed with a lawsuit by yours

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
No, Xu go first! LOL On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dakota Jack, > > Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if they don't > agree with you? > > You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large struts web > sites you had/have worked on so we can

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
And how does C# run on Apple? LOL On 7/2/05, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote: > } With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of > } .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof. > } Any dumb c

Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
Mr .V, Do you know html? You claim you are a programmer? What makes you think http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy is a struts site? Don't give wrong information. As for another link of C#, I use Linux so I am really only interest in web services of .net, which I may use. Since I don't want

Re: Iterate without collection

2005-07-02 Thread Tony Smith
I am using jsp to print out a table. The data (dxx) comes from a formbean. At the beginning of every row, I would like to print a character starting from 'A'. Some my table looks like A d11 d12 d13... B d21 d22 d23... C d31 d32 d33... --- Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "Ton

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread netsql
John Henry Xu wrote: So tell me what does the owner of your company think most important? He is probably thinking how to get rid of ineffective managers. What is your agenda, to come tell us your's is bigger? There are plenty of large Struts sites, if that is what your aim was: http://wiki

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
Dave Newton wrote: > > Money is the No. 1 factor for a owner/manager. > > >> > That's pathetic, and I would NEVER work for somebody with that opinion. Then you may work either 60 hr/week(paid 40 hr/week) or 0 hr/week(paid 0 hr/week) but not in between. So tell me what does the owner of your com

Beans throwing exceptions

2005-07-02 Thread GnomeKing
I have a bean which occasionally throws an exception This exception is caught in TagUtils.java:962 (struts-1.2.7), saved (967) and then a completely new JspException thrown (968). I'm assuming this is what is happening, but I don't have a stack trace to indicate it - but that is the only location

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Newton
John Henry Xu wrote: I was working on Java until I became a manager. AH-HA! NOW we know what's going on here. Money is the No. 1 factor for a owner/manager. That's pathetic, and I would NEVER work for somebody with that opinion. Dave -

Re: Iterate without collection

2005-07-02 Thread Wendy Smoak
From: "Tony Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> can I do it with ? In jsp, with struts tag library, how can I change 0 to 'A', 1 to 'B', ... As far as I can tell from the docs... not without putting the things you want to display into a Collection. How about describing the problem you're trying to

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Newton
Gregory Seidman wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Heh, } } I hate this kind of discussion... } } Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world... } } I want to see you refactoring a method, lets say change the method name, } with emacs/vi/notepa

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Newton
netsql wrote: In my shop, GUI tools for Swing or UI, such as VS, are not allowed. You must make UI handcoding it. You'll just have to take my word that it's *MUCH* more productive to hand code a UI when you are building a complex UI. Usually more performant, too: it's easy to code a slow Swi

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Newton
Dakota Jack wrote: The first person who steps far enough over the line is going to be slammed with a lawsuit by yours truly. You are getting close Friedman. Impish grin that! *rotflmao* I like lines. Mark could care less about code. Yep, I bet he could. You, however, probably meant "

Convert int to string in jsp

2005-07-02 Thread Tony Smith
In jsp, how can I convert int to string, e.g. 0 to 'A', 1 to 'B' ... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ---

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Newton
Larry Meadors wrote: You love men? Is it "coming out" day on struts-users, or what? Man, I love Friday. Remember, only Robinson Crusoe could get everything done by Friday. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [OT]java bean question

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: You must be scott ambler fan :-) Or maybe not, he suggests words like a, an, some public void setValue(int aValue){ value = aValue; } I ended up doing the public class Foo { private int _bar; public void setBar(final int bar_) { _bar = bar_; } }

Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
Thank Yan Hu for giving this site. It seems they run on Netscape-Enterprise/6.0. However, I did not see struts' signature from there yet by trying to filling some forms. It looks like JSP-servlets handling form submision. One former site that used struts is reuters.com. Now they have redesigned

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Martin Gainty
I was hoping to synchronise the method but I guess the only way to accomplish this is to 'lock a block' You really have a good handle on .NET Threading issues Now back to our regularly scheduled programme.. Thanks Gregory! Martin- - Original Message - From: "Gregory Seidman" <[EMAIL P

Re: Iterate without collection

2005-07-02 Thread Tony Smith
In jsp, with struts tag library, how can I change 0 to 'A', 1 to 'B', ... Thanks, --- Tony Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can I do it with ? > > > --- Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: "Tony Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > If I just want to go through a loop and print >

Re: Iterate without collection

2005-07-02 Thread Tony Smith
can I do it with ? --- Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "Tony Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If I just want to go through a loop and print out > 1, > > 2, ...10, how can I do it with ? > > Here's a gentle shove in the JSTL direction... > http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/dev_logi

Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread Yan Hu
www.verizonwireless.com uses Struts... Check it out.. The site is slow. However, I do not think it has anything to with Struts. Struts has a relatively simple and clean structure. If a site that uses Struts appears slow, it's backend or middle tier must be lacking... People who often say "Strut

Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
Show us a portal application. or anything you think was decent. (not hello world. -) I know some also but they seems not developed by D.J. (joking) Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -

Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread Leon Rosenberg
How large is large? I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as large, to show you the right one. Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore? leon > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. J

Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)

2005-07-02 Thread Leon Rosenberg
How large is large? I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as large, to show you the right one. Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore? leon > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. J

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
Dakota Jack, Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if they don't agree with you? You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss them and technologies according to your claims. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist

Re: Iterate without collection

2005-07-02 Thread Wendy Smoak
From: "Tony Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If I just want to go through a loop and print out 1, 2, ...10, how can I do it with ? Here's a gentle shove in the JSTL direction... http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/dev_logic.html <%@ taglib uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/core"; prefix="c" %> (If

Iterate without collection

2005-07-02 Thread Tony Smith
If I just want to go through a loop and print out 1, 2, ...10, how can I do it with ? Here is my jsp: $ It complained that "Null attribute name". THanks, __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it o

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Aleksandar Matijaca
On 7/2/05, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first person who steps far enough over the line is going to be > slammed with a lawsuit by yours truly. You are getting close A lawsuit?? On the basis of what?? Slander? On the internet you can say anything you want, and get away with it

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Martin Gainty
Greg- Could you elucidate for me how .NET handles thread synchronisation? I ran into a situation where someone wanted a .NET App coded up in 3 days which worked ok except I ran into a problem where multiple threads were/are accessing the same method..my work around was to install a hack which t

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread netsql
Gregory Seidman wrote: You clearly missed my post on the advantages C# has over Java Clearly you are missing that we, users of Apache software, *don't care* which is better. news flash: We use both. A large chunk of people here also sigh up for iBatis DAO, we use both C# and Java. http:/

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote: } With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of } .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof. } Any dumb can do a few clicks followed by intelligent editor to prompt and } spoon feed whats to be written,

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

2005-07-02 Thread netsql
Gregory Seidman wrote: Of course, I can't make any guarantees on how much traffic these sites get. They are, however, pretty popular. This is a good list: http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_500 So it this: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html In this 2nd you can see that MS

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

2005-07-02 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:32:00AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above 100 } Million PIs / month, better 1 billion PIs ? } I'd be really interested :-) I don't know that anyone keeps a list around, but this is a foolish challenge to

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
And he's not the fastest keyboard user in the world. I am. This has been well-established in previous threads. Search the archives. (In all seriousness, I did actually hold the informal record for typing speed when I was in the Army, dunno if that still stands or not... which of course is

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Heh, } } I hate this kind of discussion... } } Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world... } } I want to see you refactoring a method, lets say change the method name, } with emacs/vi/notepad if there are about 20 oth

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
You only have this "experience" because you clearly do not even see what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see nothing. On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code > > the framework. > > That w

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
"Self-defense"? What a joke. You better make sure that your imaginary relative is licensed in the right state? On 7/2/05, David G. Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > D.J., > > That was a very lively post. Did someone hit close to > home with a recent comment or two? > > Why not sue away?

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Larry Meadors
(I need to get faster at creating filters I guess...) Sadly, that is the lie that the idiots are buying into. Yes, the IDE helps you do simple things like create a table ("Oooh, I do not have to remember , and ? Yipp!") or create a form ("Hmm, post vs get...I always have to look that up.") o

RE: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Nitish Kumar
With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof. Any dumb can do a few clicks followed by intelligent editor to prompt and spoon feed whats to be written, and then the IDE creates a code, which makes any dumb with or withou

Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread Larry Meadors
I agree w/ Dakota on this. Using a "lines of code" metric to measure cost is about as valid as saying "Well, gee, M$'s stock prices are way higher than Sun's, so we should use .net!" (Which, incidentally was the approach used where I work. Scary.) This thread is retarded. The intent is to decide w

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
> Dakota Jack wrote: Good lord, if you want a GUI tool, just make one. D.J., I think a person doesn't need do all things by himself, especially there are lots of decent GUI tools in market for you to pick. Is writting lots of getters and setters manually the most productive way in real projects?

Re: Struts vs .NET???

2005-07-02 Thread John Henry Xu
> The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code > the framework. That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts have more codes and configuration files than straight forward JSP+Javabean+taglibs approach that was done before. And also I would insist J2EE vs

RE: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread David G. Friedman
D.J., That was a very lively post. Did someone hit close to home with a recent comment or two? Why not sue away? I'm sure I could use the money from the inevitable self-defensive counter-suit. I could go on and on about the lawyer in the family, but I'd have to stop feuding with him. Don't make

Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath

2005-07-02 Thread Dakota Jack
The first person who steps far enough over the line is going to be slammed with a lawsuit by yours truly. You are getting close Friedman. Impish grin that! Mark could care less about code. I get crossways with people because I care about code. Also, James and I are not really on the best terms