Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

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Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

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Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

On 07/25/2013 11:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: *what exactly* does the CWG want to hear from me and not from others which are sometimes a lot of more abusive outside any objectively conext while i*never* insulted someone only "just for fun" and if so i want to see the quote, context and apologize

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Am 26.07.2013 01:16, schrieb lee: > Reindl Harald writes: > How many messages you have sent how quickly and how much money you have > spent on OSS projects is not relevant here. Don't try to bring it up as > another excuse, and don't make assumptions about what judgements I make > or not. inter

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Am 26.07.2013 00:16, schrieb lee: >> well, and that is why nitpicking about any word and presume >> always the worst intention of anything i say is unfair > > This doesn't have anything to do with presuming, nitpicking or > unfairness. You say "x" and mean "z". There is no way for the other > pe

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Am 25.07.2013 22:04, schrieb lee: > Reindl Harald writes: >> here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context >> https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 > > Harald, "enge Sichtweise" does not translate into "narrow view" like > that. You can make a comment like th

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Am 25.07.2013 19:56, schrieb Jared K. Smith: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, inode0 > wrote: > > All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the > situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the > community isn't willing to

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Reindl Harald writes: > Am 26.07.2013 00:16, schrieb lee: >>> well, and that is why nitpicking about any word and presume >>> always the worst intention of anything i say is unfair >> >> This doesn't have anything to do with presuming, nitpicking or >> unfairness. You say "x" and mean "z". Ther

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Reindl Harald writes: > Am 25.07.2013 22:04, schrieb lee: >> Reindl Harald writes: >>> here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context >>> https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 >> >> Harald, "enge Sichtweise" does not translate into "narrow view" like >> that.

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Reindl Harald writes: > here for the records and CC to the list to get back to the context > https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2851 Harald, "enge Sichtweise" does not translate into "narrow view" like that. You can make a comment like that in German and it would be understood, thou

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, inode0 wrote: > All I can do is suggest what I think could be done to improve the > situation. If the moderators aren't willing to do more and the > community isn't willing to give it a rest then I'll probably just join > others giving up on this list. I can't s

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Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur > > Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for > the precious knowledge I'll miss. > Gonna use the forums instead. > > You can ignore threads in any mailing list and

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Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: > How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future "a straight, > clear answer"? *boah* you did not quote the context as well as Richard did not say any word that he refers on a bugreport far far away from the list even with my private add

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Am 23.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Richard Shaw: >> Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a >> club I can join? :) > > Nope, it was the unnecessary "narrow minded packager" on the tail end of your > otherwise perfectly sensible bug report comment so QUOTE and link w

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Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a >>> club I can join? :) >> >> this below is what you are calling an insult? > > Yes, the part I hilighted

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

On 07/23/2013 09:25 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through th

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Rick Stevens alldigital.com> writes: > > On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: > >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >

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Dave Stevens writes: > Quoting Richard Shaw : > >> My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. >> Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have >> foreseen that this would happen but I did not. >> >> Unless there is a possibility that th

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On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur Yes, this is kindergarden.  I'm leaving this mailing-list.  Too bad for the precious knowledge I'll miss.  Gonna use the forums instead. You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums

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Quoting Richard Shaw : My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolut

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My original intent in reviving this thread was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Obviously that's not what happened so for that I apologize. I should have foreseen that this would happen but I did not. Unless there is a possibility that this will result in some sort of resolution (which seems unlikely)

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:07:20PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 23.07.2013 23:02, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: > > I'm sorry, the quoting format is the default for Mutt and has been > > around for a long time. Surely you've seen it for literally YEARS > > online. > > with rotten style i mea

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:02:08PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: > > How is telling someone you won't be helping them in future "a straight, > > clear answer"? > > *boah* you did not quote the context as well as Richard > did not say any word that he

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: >> >> >> >> The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to >> constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case >> Harald did nothing wrong at all. >

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On 7/23/2013 7:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: > > > > The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to > constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case > Harald did nothing wrong at all. > >

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On 07/23/2013 04:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: If we want the list to improve we need to stop twisting knives in old wounds and let the injuries heal. Or we need more aggressive moderation to stop all the agitating. Good luck with that

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Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, inode0 wrote: > > > The victims are all the members of this list who don't want to > constantly be exposed to all this drama. The facts are in this case > Harald did nothing wrong at all. Harald continues to claim that he is a victim of moderators targeting

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > HI > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot >> >> > >> what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 >> are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers >> than me in the last two years

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Hasn't this noise gone on long enough? Hint, it is why I stay away despite experience with RedHat Linux going back to Hurricane. It's not worth my time to more than browse titles of late. {+_+} On 2013/07/23 14:42, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Reindl Harald -- use

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Reindl Harald > > and how does this match "You can ignore threads in any mailing list"? > Read the context. If you don't follow list guidelines, moderators can step in but if you merely are not interested in any topic, you can ignore the threads related to that.

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HI On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrot > > > what about think 10 seconds that 5 inpolite messages out of 1000 > are statistically not relevant - show me 5 people with more answers > than me in the last two years and the look how often the ones with > a few rplies are answer the s

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I'm snipping all of this tripe. Gang, can we PLEASE drop

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a > >>> club I can join? :) > >> > >> this

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Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Reindl Harald > > Am 23.07.2013 22:52, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > hmm that must be the reason i get moderated and censored beause > a few inpolite answers > Censorship doesn't mean what you think it does and it is different from moderation but yes, your behav

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:44:12PM +0200, Eric Viseur wrote: > Oh my god, it feels like I'm reading a baby whining because another one > pinched his ass. You call this an insult ? This got to be the most > childish mailing-list I've ever been on. Grow up some balls, people. This > really is rid

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Hi On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Eric Viseur > > Yes, this is kindergarden. I'm leaving this mailing-list. Too bad for > the precious knowledge I'll miss. Gonna use the forums instead. > You can ignore threads in any mailing list and fwiw, forums are far more heavily moderated compared to

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Oh my god, it feels like I'm reading a baby whining because another one pinched his ass. You call this an insult ? This got to be the most childish mailing-list I've ever been on. Grow up some balls, people. This really is ridiculous. You're offended because the first answer wasn't rolled in sa

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Yup, just received my first insult... Do I get a badge now or is there a > > club I can join? :) > > this below is what you are calling an insult? Yes, the part I hilighted before is rather insulting to people. > seriously? ***

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Am 23.07.2013 16:25, schrieb Richard Shaw: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters > wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > > I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things > > Then you haven't see

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > > I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things > > Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the > moderation queue. I know not all make

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On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 11:59 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 01:44:26AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >snip... > > > > hint: if would really be the asshole you think i would not need > > to post anything and help others because the ratio seeking >

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On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 01:44:26AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: snip... > > hint: if would really be the asshole you think i would not need > to post anything and help others because the ratio seeking > and giving answers in my case is 1:1000 over years > preach what others

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On 19 July 2013 18:48, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: >> Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, >> if they offend you. > > You need to see the bigger picture. > > As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, y

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first: if the Fedora community *would* be really that hypocritical like Tim and Thomas to name the both most aggressive ones and their few the same way embittered acting friends *please unsubscribe me* because i do *not* want to be member of a "community" where only political correctness is the ho

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Then I'm really glad I'll be a burden to you for such a motive today. If coping with people humors is endorsing victimization, then damn it, I must be a really bad person. But guess what, I'll live with it. And you'll be the doubly pissed off one. Now I guess I'll stop answering to this, first b

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Tim writes: > Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: >> Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, >> if they offend you. > > You need to see the bigger picture. > > As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you > endorse the vic

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Allegedly, on or about 18 July 2013, Timothy Murphy sent: > Surely it is the easiest thing in the world not to read his postings, > if they offend you. You need to see the bigger picture. As we all stand idly by and watch someone harass someone else, you endorse the victimisation. When you decl

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On 07/19/2013 10:48 AM, Tim wrote: As you all stand by and endorse the perpetrator while they victimise me, you piss me off as well. All I see at this time is you attacking Harald. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.f

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On 18.07.2013, Thomas Dineen wrote: > If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now > (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. I consider this whole thread as completely useless. Somebody doesn't want to read somebodys mail? No problem. Use your killfil

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Thomas Dineen writes: > Gentle People: > >Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire > Fedora community? I don't understand why you insist that Harald speaks for "the entire Fedora community". Please keep in mind that how it deals with people who aren't entirely eas

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On 07/18/2013 05:57 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Like Eric, I find all this whinging about Harald's (supposed) rudeness far more annoying than the (supposed) rudeness. Please lay off and get on with talking about substantive Fedora issues. cheers, Rolf Turner On 19/07/13 09:35, Eri

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> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:16:53 -0700 > Thomas Dineen wrote: > > Gentle People: > >I highly disagree here > >I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! From what I read, Harald is a bit the Linus (in speaking style) of the fedora mailing list. From time to ti

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Like Eric, I find all this whinging about Harald's (supposed) rudeness far more annoying than the (supposed) rudeness. Please lay off and get on with talking about substantive Fedora issues. cheers, Rolf Turner On 19/07/13 09:35, Eric Viseur wrote: As a recent newcomer, I only

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As a recent newcomer, I only have one thing to say : I can live with some people being sometimes harsh. We're all human beings, we all lose our temper sometimes. Some do more often than others. But damn it, all this wee-wee about him being rude to others is becoming ridiculous and might drive me

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (glass house and stones)

may i ask you why you ignored my reply showing what kind of guy you are below? the web does not forget and i do not try to hide my mistakes - honesty could someone call it which is more important than your hypocrisy while you juddge me Am 18.07.2013 21:52, schrieb Thomas Dineen: > Think a

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Am 18.07.2013 20:16, schrieb Thomas Dineen: > I highly disagree here and the "" gives you more voice? > I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! your opinion, there exists a dirty quote about opinions > He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in

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On 7/18/2013 3:59 PM, inode0 wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: >> Gentle People: >> >>Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire >> Fedora community? > > Incessant whining by other community members also makes our community > less appealin

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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: > Gentle People: > >Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire > Fedora community? Incessant whining by other community members also makes our community less appealing to many people. Can we please act as friends w

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Gentle People: Think about how his behiaviour reflects on the effort of the entire Fedora community? Is he encouraging participation by other experts? Maybe not! Is he encouraging participation by new comers? Maybe not! Do his comments attract new users? Maybe not! Thomas Din

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Thomas Dineen wrote: >I highly disagree here > >I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! ... >If I were moderator I would have unsubscribed him by now > (To reduce the health care cost (Headaches) of everyone involved. Surely it is the easiest thing

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Gentle People: I highly disagree here I regard Harald as an annoyance and liability! He has been extremely in polite on this reflector in the past, many, many times, personally calling me and others names on multiple occasions. If I were moderator I wo

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Olav Vitters writes: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: >> I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things > > Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the > moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, lee wrote: inode0 writes: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confus

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read t

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26 +0200, lee wrote: inode0 writes: It's usually considered bad behaviour to send Ccs to the poster when replying to posts on mailing lists. Since Harald's post are moderated, he cannot know whether his posts will get through or not and how long they might be d

please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

inode0 writes: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry > wrote: >> This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. > > Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please > don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing > th