Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-20 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 07:54 +1100, Ben Schmidt wrote: > > Hey! I like lists without Reply-To set. I don't think they're braindead, We need to agree to disagree Ben :) > However, your point is valid. If you *really* want to keep all > discussion public for a list, Reply-To is a way to achieve

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-20 Thread Noel Butler
On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 17:25 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: > > Personally, I don't like that preference because I would much rather get > the LIST post than the direct one. > also, some list software can be configured that if it sees a direct copy, it wont send them the list copy, mailman has

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2014-01-20 3:25 PM, Ben Schmidt wrote: Are you referring to the claim that mailing list managers filter out recipients who have been given a direct copy? Can you refer me to an MLM that actually does this, with some definite proof that it does? Because I've heard rumours that they do this, bu

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-20 Thread Ben Schmidt
Dont quite get you there, but its pretty simple, we are on a list, having an open discussion, if you reply to me, or I, you, then it should go by the list, on this list very simple, its configured correctly by having reply-to set, to the list, problem does not exist, if you reply, or reply-all, at

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-20 Thread Ben Schmidt
The vast majority of MUA software on the planet has only Reply and Reply All. Those users are using Reply All, so as to keep it a group discussion. "Reply All" has a standard, decades old behavior, and mailing list robots are designed around the assumption that it is used. Email, and certainly

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-18 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 18.01.2014 05:58, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 10:10 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: Your vehemence against private replies is bizarre and baffling. Surprisingly, I'm in agreement with Noel (I generally don't see his posts unless someone quotes him)... What you seem to fail to be grasping i

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2014-01-17 10:10 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: Your vehemence against private replies is bizarre and baffling. Surprisingly, I'm in agreement with Noel (I generally don't see his posts unless someone quotes him)... What you seem to fail to be grasping is, we are saying that on PUBLIC DISCUSSIO

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 17.01.2014 16:25, Noel Butler wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 18:58 +0100, Benny Pedersen wrote: Charles Marcus skrev den 2014-01-16 20:27: On 2014-01-15 1:54 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: thunderbird need a plugin to make it work, roundcube it just works default Thunderbird has had a proper

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Benny Pedersen
Noel Butler skrev den 2014-01-18 01:25: Y O U are on a P U B L I C discussion list, and ? ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Noel Butler
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 11:12 -0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > > Indeed, Reindl did not reply to the list, as claimed; or at least so I'm > led to suspect, based on not having received the post you're replying > to, keeping in mind that absence of evidence doesn't proves absence. Harald is current

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Noel Butler
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 18:58 +0100, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Charles Marcus skrev den 2014-01-16 20:27: > > On 2014-01-15 1:54 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: > >> thunderbird need a plugin to make it work, roundcube it just works > >> default > > > > Thunderbird has had a proper 'Reply-To-List' button

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 17.01.2014 11:38, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 2:12 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 17.01.2014 10:10, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 1:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.01.2014 18:58, schrieb Benny Pedersen: and RCU maillist now makes it impossible to reply private :( really? lo

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2014-01-17 2:12 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 17.01.2014 10:10, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 1:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.01.2014 18:58, schrieb Benny Pedersen: and RCU maillist now makes it impossible to reply private :( really? look i did teh impossible! Really? You call

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 17.01.2014 11:15, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.01.2014 20:12, schrieb Kaz Kylheku: On 17.01.2014 10:10, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 1:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.01.2014 18:58, schrieb Benny Pedersen: and RCU maillist now makes it impossible to reply private :( really? look

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 17.01.2014 10:10, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 1:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.01.2014 18:58, schrieb Benny Pedersen: and RCU maillist now makes it impossible to reply private :( really? look i did teh impossible! Really? You call replying to the OP, the list AND a 3rd party

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2014-01-17 1:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.01.2014 18:58, schrieb Benny Pedersen: and RCU maillist now makes it impossible to reply private :( really? look i did teh impossible! Really? You call replying to the OP, the list AND a 3rd party (me) 'private'?

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-17 Thread Benny Pedersen
Charles Marcus skrev den 2014-01-16 20:27: On 2014-01-15 1:54 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: thunderbird need a plugin to make it work, roundcube it just works default Thunderbird has had a proper 'Reply-To-List' button/feature for a long time now.\ and RCU maillist now makes it impossible to re

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 18:24 -0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > NB> [I]t annoys me greatly that people find the need to reply directly > NB> as well as a list, I mean we *are* all on the same list, so we will > *all* > NB> yes, including intended recipient, get the post, do people think > that > NB> se

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-16 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 16.01.2014 17:27, Noel Butler wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 16:40 -0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 16.01.2014 16:02, Noel Butler wrote: > > The vast majority of MUA software on the planet has only Reply and > Reply All. Those users are using Reply All, so as to keep it a group > discussion. Whe

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 16:40 -0800, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 16.01.2014 16:02, Noel Butler wrote: > > The vast majority of MUA software on the planet has only Reply and > Reply All. Those users are using Reply All, so as to keep it a group > discussion. > Where did I say we needed another rep

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-16 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 16.01.2014 16:02, Noel Butler wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 08:35 +1100, Ben Schmidt wrote: > >> On 16/01/14 7:59 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> Am 15.01.2014 21:43, schrieb Ben Schmidt: Another is that sometimes people have direct copies delivered to their inbox, but copies via

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 08:35 +1100, Ben Schmidt wrote: > On 16/01/14 7:59 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 15.01.2014 21:43, schrieb Ben Schmidt: > >> Another is that sometimes people have direct copies delivered to > >> their inbox, but copies via the list filtered into a folder. Such > >> users wa

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-16 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2014-01-15 1:54 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: thunderbird need a plugin to make it work, roundcube it just works default Thunderbird has had a proper 'Reply-To-List' button/feature for a long time now.\ On 2014-01-15 3:04 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: Reply should reply to the sender: the person o

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 15.01.2014 12:43, Ben Schmidt wrote: As the maintainer of a mailing-list manager, and as a user of mailing lists, I thought I would chip in. I think there are uses for all three scenarios: (1) reply to sender (only), (2) reply to list (only), (3) reply to all (sender, list and any CCs).

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Ben Schmidt
so there is no solution satisfy all I agree entirely. finally *that* is no valid reason for mail duplicates Equally, it is not a valid reason to filter them. We need to recognise people and communities are different, that both behaviours are useful, and valid, and that people who want one ki

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Ben Schmidt
As the maintainer of a mailing-list manager, and as a user of mailing lists, I thought I would chip in. I think there are uses for all three scenarios: (1) reply to sender (only), (2) reply to list (only), (3) reply to all (sender, list and any CCs). (1) is useful for private replies. (2)

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On 15.01.2014 09:28, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-14 7:46 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: I know about the "Reply List" thing; I neglected to mention, in fact, that I tried both "Reply All" and manually invoking "Reply List", with identical results. Look; "Reply All" is obviously doing the righ

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Charles Marcus skrev den 2014-01-15 18:28: Sadly, there are far too many moronic users, even on the technical side of things. thunderbird users more or less ?, roundcube users never seen the problem imho thunderbird need a plugin to make it work, roundcube it just works default ___

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2014-01-14 7:46 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: I know about the "Reply List" thing; I neglected to mention, in fact, that I tried both "Reply All" and manually invoking "Reply List", with identical results. Look; "Reply All" is obviously doing the right thing now as I post this reply. It's goin

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-15 Thread Juan Carlos Sanchez
Hello: I thing RCU list uses mailman as list manager (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/) Reply-To header is controled by config option "reply_goes_to_list" with defaults to not to add/modify Reply-To header. This setting is strongly recommended by mailman developpers. Still, I suppose it

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-14 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Wake up and look at this: Reply-To: Roundcube Users mailing list The RCU mailing list stamps this idiocy on everything that passes through it. The mailing list for mail-related software is doing Reply-To munging. What's wrong with this picture? That explains why the same people think it'

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-14 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Of course, doh, that's because Arne's message was not from the list manager; but directly to me! (Which is the correct way to do things). On 14.01.2014 16:46, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > Look; "Reply All" is obviously doing the right thing now as I post this > reply. It's going to you, Arne, and

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-14 Thread Kaz Kylheku
I know about the "Reply List" thing; I neglected to mention, in fact, that I tried both "Reply All" and manually invoking "Reply List", with identical results. Look; "Reply All" is obviously doing the right thing now as I post this reply. It's going to you, Arne, and Cc: to the RCU list! So

Re: [RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-14 Thread Arne Berglund
On 2014-01-14 16:12, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone had the following problem? > > When replying to a new mailing list posting with "reply all", the reply goes > only To: the mailing list. > > Expected behavior: To: the person, Cc: to the mailing list. > > The message in ques

[RCU] RC not replying properly to mailing list post.

2014-01-14 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Hi All, Anyone had the following problem? When replying to a new mailing list posting with "reply all", the reply goes only To: the mailing list. Expected behavior: To: the person, Cc: to the mailing list. The message in question has no Reply-To: header or anything of the sort. The relev