RE: Daily run output

2009-01-08 Thread Martin Gregorie
> Could someone tell me what configuration file i need to change in order > to > change the email address this email is being sent to? > > *** > > I'd check crontab (crontab -l as root, list /var/spool/cron and > /etc/cron.* and /etc/crontab) for what is running at the time the mail > is sent

Re: Shades-of-greylisting: custom rule creation?

2009-01-08 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 09:43 -0500, Don Levey wrote: > [I've not yet found in the archives something which addresses this > question; if I missed it I apologise] > > I am trying to set up a system whereby I can create lists of > addresses/servers of varying degrees of spamminess. For example, I >

Re: eval function comparing the matches of two regular expression? - AWL is fooled without

2009-01-08 Thread Matt Kettler
Harald Binkle wrote: > > What about a new eval function comparing the matches of two regular > expression? > If there would be a function like > > eval:*Equals*(/regex1/,/regex2/) and eval:NOTEquals(/regex1/,/regex2/) > > it would be easy *to* define rules like: > > a rule scoring, say with 0.8 poi

Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
Hi, We have our own dedicated server and I am trying to install Spamassassin on it to stop all the spam we get when looking in our horde imp webmail. Our server is linux based and I have full access to the root command line. I have uploaded the unzipped files to a directory and tried following t

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Dave_c00 wrote on Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:29:28 -0800 (PST): > I > have uploaded the unzipped files to a directory and tried following the > installation readme file but am having no luck in getting it working..? This is absolutely lame. "I followed the instructions but it isn't working". Well, then

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
All I want it to do is add **SPAM** into the subject if it thinks it is spam, how hard must that be..!! I have run the 'perl Makefile.PL' in the correct directory but the 'make install' isn't working. Am I correct in thinking I need to get spamd running as a proccess before I can get specific co

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Rubin Bennett
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 05:52 -0800, dave_c00 wrote: > All I want it to do is add **SPAM** into the subject if it thinks it is spam, > how hard must that be..!! > It's not: A quick google for "spamassassin rewrite subject" turns up this helpful link: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/SubjectRewri

Re: New spam-to me-and how do I stop.

2009-01-08 Thread Randy
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 07.01.09 11:46, Craig wrote: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Randy 1/6/2009 2:42 PM >>> Post 3 similar messages on pastbin so that we can determine a common factor between them. Use pastbin, not this list to post the

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Jan P. Kessler
dave_c00 schrieb: > I have run the 'perl Makefile.PL' in the correct directory but the 'make > install' isn't working. > Something is going wrong! So, you think my comment is not very helpful? Maybe your desciption of the problem is not that helpful, too. If you don't provide more information

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Dave_c00 wrote on Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:52:55 -0800 (PST): > All I want it to do is add **SPAM** into the subject if it thinks it is spam, > how hard must that be..!! That is not what I asked for. Please provide what I asked for. > I have run the 'perl Makefile.PL' in the correct directory but the

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
I dont have any package manager... The people we rent the server from are absolutely useless and provide no help unless you pay them a small fortune. My server details are as follows: Linux 2.6.22-8-server i686 GNU/Linux Perl 5.8 Spamassassin 3.2.5 I may appear thick but when it comes to Linux I

Re: Shades-of-greylisting: custom rule creation?

2009-01-08 Thread Don Levey
McDonald, Dan wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 09:43 -0500, Don Levey wrote: >> [I've not yet found in the archives something which addresses this >> question; if I missed it I apologise] >> >> I am trying to set up a system whereby I can create lists of >> addresses/servers of varying degrees of spa

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 06:51 -0800, dave_c00 wrote: > I dont have any package manager... It's software, not a person > The people we rent the server from are > absolutely useless and provide no help unless you pay them a small fortune. > My server details are as follows: > Linux 2.6.22-8-serv

Re: New spam-to me-and how do I stop.

2009-01-08 Thread Craig
>>> Randy 1/8/2009 8:09 AM >>> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > On 07.01.09 11:46, Craig wrote: > >> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP >> > > > Randy 1/6/2009 2:42 PM >>> > >> Post 3 similar messages on pastbin so that we can determine a common >>

Re: New spam-to me-and how do I stop.

2009-01-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 07.01.09 11:46, Craig wrote: > > > >> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP > >> > > > > > > Randy 1/6/2009 2:42 PM >>> > > > >> Post 3 similar messages on pastbin so that we can determine a common > >> factor betwe

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 08.01.09 06:51, dave_c00 wrote: > I dont have any package manager... The people we rent the server from are > absolutely useless and provide no help unless you pay them a small fortune. > I may appear thick but when it comes to Linux I am completely lost... > > I think I am using qmail if that

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Randy
dave_c00 wrote: I dont have any package manager... The people we rent the server from are absolutely useless and provide no help unless you pay them a small fortune. My server details are as follows: Linux 2.6.22-8-server i686 GNU/Linux Perl 5.8 Spamassassin 3.2.5 I may appear thick but when it

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I think it is Ubuntu 6.06 which I found in my /etc/lsb-release file. Do you mean use apt-get to install it.? I have found a help file which should get me going. I have spamassassin in my /etc/ folder. Does that mean I can install it from that location? Daniel J McDon

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I think it is Ubuntu 6.06 which I found in my /etc/lsb-release file. Do you mean use apt-get to install it.? I have found a help file which should get me going. I have spamassassin in my /etc/ folder. Does that mean I can install it from that location? Daniel J McDon

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Rubin Bennett
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 07:31 -0800, dave_c00 wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > Yeah I think it is Ubuntu 6.06 which I found in my /etc/lsb-release file. > > Do you mean use apt-get to install it.? I have found a help file which > should get me going. I have spamassassin in my /etc/ folder. Does t

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
Well using the package apt-get install spamassassin seems to have installed it. With the following output: apt-get install spamassassin Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Suggested packages: razor libnet-ident-perl dcc-client pyzor Recommended packages: spamc The f

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-08 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 19:31 +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > It appears to me that the HABEAS rules are hitting only a very tiny fraction > of > mail, many of the nightly mass-checks don't have a hit at all (or is it that > those > checks don't contain any network checks?). The aggregated view show

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread dave_c00
Thanks Rubin, I tend to get things done like this, bit by bit but that's how I like to learn. Maybe I shouldnt be messing around with my webserver that has many an ecommerce website or 2 running on it...! Thanks for the help. Rubin Bennett wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 07:31 -0800, dave_c0

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-08 Thread Justin Mason
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 15:37, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 19:31 +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote: >> It appears to me that the HABEAS rules are hitting only a very tiny fraction >> of >> mail, many of the nightly mass-checks don't have a hit at all (or is it that >> those >> chec

Re: Novice Installation Help

2009-01-08 Thread Martin Gregorie
> If you are running Linux, there IS a package manager installed. We > simply need to figure which one. It would help if you know the flavor on > Linux you are using. I know the hosting company does because they > probably asked which distro. you want to use. > One way to get more details of ex

Re: Test order

2009-01-08 Thread Michael Parker
On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: On Tue, January 6, 2009 03:11, Matt Kettler wrote: Check your .pre files to make sure the shortcircuit plugin is loaded in one of them. (Note: loadplugin statements added to local.cf will NOT work, they should be in the .pre files) is this

custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread JVlad
Hi, Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin in Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is processed. This script would have to know , , and assigned by SA>. Is it possible?

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:05:52 +0300, "JVlad" wrote: >Hi, > >Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin in >Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is processed. >This script would have to know , , and assigned by SA>. Is it possible? Many mail packa

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Kai Schaetzl
JVlad wrote on Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:05:52 +0300: > Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin in > Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is processed. > This script would have to know , ip>, and assigned by SA>. Is it possible? Wouldn't it make

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread JVlad
Hi, Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin in Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is processed. This script would have to know , , and . Is it possible? Many mail packages have built in SA support. What are you using? (apologies if this ha

custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread JVlad
Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin in Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is processed. This script would have to know , , and . Is it possible? Wouldn't it make more sense to do this in procmail? (assuming you use procmail). Thanks, K

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, JVlad wrote: sendmail + spamassassin milter (written by Georg C. F. et al) everything works great so far, except I need to save the spamassassin results (score+sender) and do this synchronously, right after the score is calculated. How about a perl script that opens a rea

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread JVlad
sendmail + spamassassin milter (written by Georg C. F. et al) everything works great so far, except I need to save the spamassassin results (score+sender) and do this synchronously, right after the score is calculated. How about a perl script that opens a reader on " Thanks, but is there a wa

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0300, JVlad wrote: > Thanks, but is there a way to get this perl script executed as part of > Spamassassin work and pass there score, ip, and address? > Does spamassassin support such post-processing plugins? Yes, though unfortunately writing plugins is rather

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:12:47 +0300, "JVlad" wrote: >>> sendmail + spamassassin milter (written by Georg C. F. et al) >>> everything works great so far, except I need to save the spamassassin >>> results (score+sender) and do this synchronously, right after the score >>> is calculated. >> >> How

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread JVlad
Thanks, but is there a way to get this perl script executed as part of Spamassassin work and pass there score, ip, and address? Does spamassassin support such post-processing plugins? Yes, though unfortunately writing plugins is rather badly documented. :( ah, it explains everything. If you "

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Andrzej Adam Filip
"JVlad" wrote: > Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin > in Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is > processed. This script would have to know , ip>, and . Is it possible? Have you considered making your perl script "call" spamassassin? S

Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread fbpc
I have whitelisted in my spam.whitelist.rules file: whitelist_from *...@fbpc.com But outgoing emails are still getting stopped as spam. The whitelist seems to be recognized in the headers, but the subject line still gets tagged with a {SPAM} and the mail gets kicked back to me. Here are the

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 23:12 +0300, JVlad wrote: > >> sendmail + spamassassin milter (written by Georg C. F. et al) > >> everything works great so far, except I need to save the spamassassin > >> results (score+sender) and do this synchronously, right after the score > >> is calculated. > > > What

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread mouss
fbpc a écrit : > I have whitelisted in my spam.whitelist.rules file: whitelist_from > *...@fbpc.com > don't do that. now spammers know how to evade your filters. use reject_from_rcvd or reject_from_auth instead. but wait. this looks like spam to me. if it is, why are you sending it? > But ou

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Evan Platt
At 12:54 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote: I have whitelisted in my spam.whitelist.rules file: whitelist_from *...@fbpc.com But outgoing emails are still getting stopped as spam. The whitelist seems to be recognized in the headers, but the subject line still gets tagged with a {SPAM} and the mail gets

Malformed UTF-8 character with SA 3.2.5

2009-01-08 Thread Eddy Beliveau
Hi! I sent this email to the amavisd-new group but didn't received any replies I give it a spin on this group Maybe someone can help Thanks in advance Eddy - original email Hi! We are using Postfix 2.5.5 on our RHEL AS release 4 (Nahant Update 6) academic server. amavisd-

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-08 Thread mouss
LuKreme a écrit : > On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: >> I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa >> value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and >> not give negative scores to databases that don't behave reasonably. > > > This has

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Kai Schaetzl
JVlad wrote on Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:43:48 +0300: > sendmail + spamassassin milter ok, you are not using procmail, then my suggestion is mute. All the information you want is available in that milter. Doesn't it have any logging that you could use for that? Or if you know to program C (assuming

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Kai Schaetzl
JVlad wrote on Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:45:48 +0300: > but doesn't it mean that I'll have to parse mail once again in order to get > score assigned by spamassassin and helo/IP address from the headers? Yes, you have to parse the mail, but AFAIK procmail does that, anyway. You just "match". So, you

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread Justin Mason
Theo Van Dinter writes: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0300, JVlad wrote: > > Thanks, but is there a way to get this perl script executed as part of > > Spamassassin work and pass there score, ip, and address? > > Does spamassassin support such post-processing plugins? > > Yes, though unf

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Duane Hill
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, fbpc wrote: ... X-FBPC-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (not cached, ... In light of all the other comments already given, I couldn't help to notice the 'ORDB-RBL' in the MailScanner header. I'm assuming that is the ordb.org RBL that's been dead for qui

Re: custom post-processing. Howto?

2009-01-08 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, JVlad wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>Spamassassin 3.2 works very good for me. Now I want to write a plugin in > >>Perl that will be executed by spamassassin after each email is processed. > >>This script would have to know , , and >>assigned by SA>. Is it possible? > > >Many mail pac

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Matt Kettler
fbpc wrote: > I have whitelisted in my spam.whitelist.rules file: whitelist_from > *...@fbpc.com > The above file is a MailScanner config file not a SpamAssassin config file, it should NOT contain statements of that format. MailScanner's whitelisting options are formatted differently (I don't

Re: Malformed UTF-8 character with SA 3.2.5

2009-01-08 Thread Mark Martinec
Eddy, > I sent this email to the amavisd-new group but didn't received any replies > I give it a spin on this group > Maybe someone can help Yes, this is probably a more suitable place for this question. > We are using Postfix 2.5.5 on our RHEL AS release 4 (Nahant Update 6) > academic server. >

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Thu, January 8, 2009 21:54, fbpc wrote: > I have whitelisted in my spam.whitelist.rules file: whitelist_from > *...@fbpc.com newer use that whitelist_from anywhere ! even mailscanner can be fooled > X-FBPC-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (not > cached, > score=-47.

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 21:59 +0100, mouss wrote: > fbpc a écrit : > > I have whitelisted in my spam.whitelist.rules file: whitelist_from > > *...@fbpc.com > > don't do that. now spammers know how to evade your filters. > use reject_from_rcvd or reject_from_auth instead. > > but wait. this looks

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Thu, January 8, 2009 21:59, Evan Platt wrote: > 1. Why are you checking outgoing mail? if he did not, maybe the sender ip will be blacklisted, much better -- Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: Alternative to Postfix header_checks?

2009-01-08 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 14:39 -0800, Gerald Turner wrote: > Hello, I have been using SpamAssassin integrated with Postfix via spampd > SMTP proxy and I have the following header_checks file: > > /^X-Spam-Level: \*{8,}/ DISCARD Spam score 8+ > /^X-Spam-Level: \*{4,}/ REJECT Spam score 4+ > > The

SpamAssassin config

2009-01-08 Thread bernier
Hi I am a relative newbie at this and you have helped me before i have just installed the latest spamassassin on a VPS server on following how to guides etc, all seems to be working, my question is now that spamasaassin is installed and i have sent the test line via email and it has marked it as

bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread boogybren
I just upgraded from SA 3.0.1 to 3.2.5 today. The bayes_journal keeps disappearing and SA kept complaining it didn't have permission to re-create it. So I chmod 777 the parent directory (/usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin) and SA finally recreated the bayes_journal file. However it looks like SA

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread fbpc
Look, I'm not sending spam, I'm sending REPLY coupons to customers. If you don't believe me, go to my website www.fbpc.com. I believe the PORN is triggered because the full name of the bar is the Fat Black Pussycat, which is a neighborhood bar/nightclub in Greenwich Village. The name has existe

Re: bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, January 9, 2009 02:37, boogybren wrote: > Is there anyway to just have either root update > bayes_journal or leave the bayes_journal there with > 666 permissions? remove bayes_path in your config if defined in sitewide it needs root to update it, but if you use bayes_path in user_prefs t

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Evan Platt
At 05:48 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote: Look, I'm not sending spam, I'm sending REPLY coupons to customers. If you don't believe me, go to my website www.fbpc.com. I believe the PORN is triggered because the full name of the bar is the Fat Black Pussycat, which is a neighborhood bar/nightclub in Gree

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, January 9, 2009 02:48, fbpc wrote: > I came to this forum just to get some help: how do I whitelist > myself effectively. i can olso ask why whitelist at all is needed ? but here: http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=fbpc.com&submit=Go! v=spf1 a mx ip4:64.202.0.1/16 ip4:69.94.64

Re: bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread Matt Kettler
boogybren wrote: > I just upgraded from SA 3.0.1 to 3.2.5 today. The bayes_journal keeps > disappearing and SA kept complaining it didn't have permission to re-create > it. > > So I chmod 777 the parent directory (/usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin) and > SA finally recreated the bayes_journal file.

Re: bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, January 9, 2009 03:08, Matt Kettler wrote: > bayes_file_mode 0777 and any user on that host can overwrite it -- Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread fbpc
Yes it is my server. My SPF and I have Domain Keys as well. Not sure why that's relevant. I have followed the instructions on the SpamAssasin website, but although the headers show that the whitelist is recognized, the program is still changing the subjects of my emails. I supose I could go

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, January 9, 2009 03:15, fbpc wrote: > Yes it is my server. My SPF and I have Domain Keys as well. Not > sure why that's relevant. if you dont know that then remove them > I have followed the instructions on the SpamAssasin website, but > although the headers show that the whitelist is r

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Evan Platt
For the THIRD time, SpamAssassin is not marking the mail as Spam. Mailscanner is. You need to ask on a mailscanner list. At 06:15 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote: Yes it is my server. My SPF and I have Domain Keys as well. Not sure why that's relevant. I have followed the instructions on the SpamAss

Re: SpamAssassin config

2009-01-08 Thread Sahil Tandon
bernier wrote: > My question is do I need to do any more configurations/run any updates > perodically or do any more to enhance the spam filtering > Basically what do I do next You read the documentation; start here: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/RuleUpdates http://spamassassin.apache.org/f

Re: bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread boogybren
The reason why I use the bayes path is because on my server (virtual private freebsd), the SA install writes the config files to /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin instead of /etc/mail/spamassassin. So if I don't specify bayes_path, then it will stick the bayes stuff under /etc/mail/spamassassin.

Re: bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread Matt Kettler
Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Fri, January 9, 2009 03:08, Matt Kettler wrote: > > >> bayes_file_mode 0777 >> > > and any user on that host can overwrite it > > Yep, that's what you need if you're sharing a single bayes DB amongst all your users. They all need to be able to write it. The al

Re: bayes_journal

2009-01-08 Thread Matt Kettler
boogybren wrote: > The reason why I use the bayes path is because on my server (virtual private > freebsd), the SA install writes the config files to > /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin instead of /etc/mail/spamassassin. So if I > don't specify bayes_path, then it will stick the bayes stuff under >

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread SM
At 18:40 08-01-2009, Evan Platt wrote: For the THIRD time, SpamAssassin is not marking the mail as Spam. Mailscanner is. You need to ask on a mailscanner list. The footer at the bottom of the original message is a hint as to why your advice won't be understood. :-) Regards, -sm

Re: Whitelist not working - Ugh please help

2009-01-08 Thread Evan Platt
At 09:48 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote: The footer at the bottom of the original message is a hint as to why your advice won't be understood. :-) Regards, -sm AARGH! Ok, unless someone here knows, I'll ask in an Eudora group... I turned Header mode to Terse. Only shows the From, To, and subject