Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Olivier
jdow writes: > I am still trying to figure out the rationale for forcing everybody out there > with established lists of "whitelist_from_rcvd" and "blacklist_from_rcvd" to > go > out there and edit EVERYBODY's user_prefs or explain to users they must do > this > themselves. *I* can do this

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Loren Wilton
Cecil Westerhof: I could not resist to take a quick peek. ;-) I think I saw a message I did not receive myself. But at least one message is still missing. I will look into it. By the way. All my emails where send with the same account. Cecil, I do not know what all you sent, but looking in my

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Cecil Westerhof
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:28 PM Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > Why did my replies disappear then? I am not banned, because then the > one you responded on would not have appeared either. > > Not enough information for me to know but I can repeat that the we simply >

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Cecil Westerhof
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:28 PM Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > Why did my replies disappear then? I am not banned, because then the > one you responded on would not have appeared either. > > Not enough information for me to know but I can repeat that the we simply >

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:28 PM Cecil Westerhof wrote: > Why did my replies disappear then? I am not banned, because then the > one you responded on would not have appeared either. > > Not enough information for me to know but I can repeat that the we simply don't have moderation and we use a

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:11 AM Axb wrote: > I voted aginst it, loudly. > > > On 7/11/20 4:35 AM, Noel Butler wrote: > > Who is "we" > > > > Name the people who decided this pathetic communist dictatorship change > > and who want to enforce this upon members of 160 odd other countries > > just

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Cecil Westerhof
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes: >> is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe > & >> I think there is, because several responses I send [didn't show up] > > No, there isn't a moderator of this list except for new subscriptions and a > person or two who posted egregiously enough to be >

Re: update fail

2020-07-12 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Thanks. Please see https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=7838 and this should be resolved. I'm surprised a warning caused a failure though. -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail -

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
> is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe & > I think there is, because several responses I send [didn't show up] No, there isn't a moderator of this list except for new subscriptions and a person or two who posted egregiously enough to be banned. This isn't a political forum, though.

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Charles Sprickman
Jordan says to clean your room. > On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Eric Broch wrote: > > Again, you've made my point. > > All you have is a ad hominem and strawman arguments both logical fallacies. > > You can't debate so call for my removal from this list. > > > On 7/12/2020 12:40 PM, micah

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Eric Broch
Again, you've made my point. All you have is a ad hominem and strawman arguments both logical fallacies. You can't debate so call for my removal from this list. On 7/12/2020 12:40 PM, micah anderson wrote: Eric Broch writes: 2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Cecil Westerhof
jason hirsh writes: > is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe > >> On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:07 PM, rtroy wrote: >> >>  >> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote: >> >> ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list. >> >> Isn't there a list moderator out there? >> >> We don't

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Benny Pedersen
rtroy skrev den 2020-07-12 20:06: On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote: ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list. send it to /dev/null then, instaed of reply Isn't there a list moderator out there? most people have hollidays right now We don't need to read about the

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread micah anderson
Eric Broch writes: > 2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue political when > we've/I've done no such thing. hilariously, you then go on to do exactly that: > The maintainers of the list have listened to those who've turned > something benign (whitelist/blacklist) into

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Axb
It's Sunday, Moderators also have lives... Stay inside, Stay safe. On 7/12/20 8:10 PM, jason hirsh wrote: is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:07 PM, rtroy wrote:  On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote: ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Bill Cole
On 12 Jul 2020, at 14:06, rtroy wrote: Isn't there a list moderator out there? Any moderation decisions are inherently few and slow. That is by design. I believe there has been all of one (1) material moderation action in the lifetime of this list, barring someone who continues to this day

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, jason hirsh wrote: is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe I'd suggest that's an overreaction. This is an unusual storm on the list, it will pass. Unfortunately politics is somewhat unavoidable in discussing this topic, because there is no *technical*

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread jason hirsh
is there a moderator. or do i have to unsubscribe > On Jul 12, 2020, at 2:07 PM, rtroy wrote: > >  > On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote: > > ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list. > > Isn't there a list moderator out there? > > We don't need to read about the

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread rtroy
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, Eric Broch wrote: ...a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong on the list. Isn't there a list moderator out there? We don't need to read about the aforementioned poster's personal problems or politics.

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread Eric Broch
Thank you, you've made my point. 1) Dismiss what you don't like to hear and give me a timeout, that's mature. 2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue political when we've/I've done no such thing. The maintainers of the list have listened to those who've turned something benign

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-12 Thread rtroy
Hi Yall, I've been a member of this list for years but this is my first post to the list. Given the great many posts already posted, I'll at least try and contribute something useful. First, whenever script re-writing might become necessary to change something like, say "BumList" to

Re: Really simple setup guide

2020-07-12 Thread Axb
Fuglu docs are extensive. you shouldn't need help to get started off On 7/12/20 12:54 PM, Matthew Broadhead wrote: mailing is shut down https://gitlab.com/fumail/fuglu/-/issues/30 On 11/07/2020 20:35, Benny Pedersen wrote: Matthew Broadhead skrev den 2020-07-11 10:11: fuglu looks nice.  it

Re: Really simple setup guide

2020-07-12 Thread Matthew Broadhead
mailing is shut down https://gitlab.com/fumail/fuglu/-/issues/30 On 11/07/2020 20:35, Benny Pedersen wrote: Matthew Broadhead skrev den 2020-07-11 10:11: fuglu looks nice.  it even handles the vacation messages from database, whereas i have been struggling with sieve. can it train the Bayes as

Re: Really simple setup guide

2020-07-12 Thread Matthew Broadhead
i might try this docker-mailserver docker project https://github.com/tomav/docker-mailserver/wiki/FAQ-and-Tips#how-can-i-make-spamassassin-learn-spam On 11/07/2020 20:50, Benny Pedersen wrote: Matthew Broadhead skrev den 2020-07-11 19:15: because my box is centos 7 i think i am going to grab