On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 21:42 -0700, Richard Troy wrote:
>
> clean victory. "YES, we have vanquished the evil, hurtful words
> blacklist
> and whitelist!" AND, "thank the universe the system still works!"
> Both
> sides can have their way!
>
> AND, of course, the blind-to-what-we-don't-have-to-
On 7/21/20 9:09 AM, Peter L. Berghold wrote:
This is the first time this long time lurker has posted here and I'm
probably going to offend a lot of people by what I have to say.
I don't think your post is offensive. It is said as a statement of
facts and does not seem to contain any malicious
On 21 Jul 2020, at 13:34, Grant Taylor wrote:
Will we be asked to rename "blacktop", which is a specific subset of
asphalt? Or what about renaming the SR-71 Blackbird? Or will White
Castle need to rename, when the name was originally meant to reference
clean and safe to eat at? Or dare I sa
On 20200721 10:34:13, Grant Taylor wrote:
On 7/21/20 9:09 AM, Peter L. Berghold wrote:
This is the first time this long time lurker has posted here and I'm probably
going to offend a lot of people by what I have to say.
I don't think your post is offensive. It is said as a statement of facts
For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where
society as a whole is deliberating the meaning and / or use of the terms
"white" and "black".
I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the USA".
It should be noted that historically bkacks were enslave
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote:
>
>> For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society
>> as a whole is deliberating the meaning and / or use of the terms "white" and
>> "black".
>
> I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people
On 7/21/2020 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote:
> I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the
> USA".
One data point disproves that. The SA project made the choice months
ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-white
On 7/21/20 7:52 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
One data point disproves that. The SA project made the choice
months ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-whitelist-and-blacklist-due-to-racial-stereotyping/
I'm okay if a group of peo
We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people
like you.
On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote:
For better or worse, we are at an inflection point in society where society as a whole is
deliberating the me
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like
> you.
>
>
> On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote:
>>>
For better or worse, we are at
It's only the closed minded that limit language.
On 7/21/2020 9:29 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:14 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
We're not the ones melting because someone said, "blacklist," its people like
you.
On 7/21/2020 8:48 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
On Jul 21, 202
> I hear that the old RMA resistor color code is under attack as it is
exceptionally discriminatory.
> As you may or may not know black is the lowest value 0, brown is only
1, Red is 2. This
:D
> There’s only like 4 of you, you can do this with a cc: list.
4? If you don't get your facts straight, there is little to no value to
other things you write.
>> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves.
The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's
2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of
the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and more prone to taking
offence than previ
> I really don't get why anyone would be offended by blacklistd and
whitelist
> given neither have any sort of connection to race or skin color.
That is because you have a proper logically functioning brain. Which
makes you
even part of a minority group. Hence you can look forward to people
RESENT - list didnt obviously like my original so here is a slightly
more sanatised version
On 22/07/2020 12:48, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves.
>
> You are a loud, pedantic, solipsistic minority that is just unwilling to
> either a) accep
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Marc Roos wrote:
>
>
>>> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves.
>
> The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's
> 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of
> the 2010s, viewed as
On 20200722 00:28:22, Marc Roos wrote:
Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves.
The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's
2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of
the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and mor
> I’m going to follow that other dude’s lead and start donating to
> Portland bail funds in your names each time you post. :)
Do know that is identity theft and a crime. Please post proof of your
action on this list.
July 22, 2020 11:16 AM, "Charles Sprickman" wrote:
>
> you’d like the
> whole world to adjust to your narrow views (which all center around your
> experiences of the world,
> which of course are the only valid ones, right?). So yes, you’re a bunch of
> snowflakes.
>
This is a perfect explanat
July 22, 2020 11:46 AM, "M. Omer GOLGELI" wrote:
> Like Laura questioned,
Oops!
/Laura/Loren/ my bad...
--
M. Omer GOLGELI
On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 18:25 -0700, Loren Wilton wrote:
> I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the
> USA". It should be noted that historically bkacks were enslaved just
> as little or much as any other race in other countries, and I don't
> see those contries bending ov
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:25 AM jdow wrote:
>
> On 20200722 00:28:22, Marc Roos wrote:
> >
> >>> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves.
> >
> > The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins English Dictionary's
> > 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, Loren Wilton wrote:
You note that "gay" has a different meaning today. As far as I know, the
words "black" and "white" were not systematically used to refer to skin
colors before about 1963, when a movement was set afoot in the USA to replace
"negro" with "black" and "cauc
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, Charles Sprickman wrote:
Rather than tolerate the tiniest of changes you throw a tantrum.
This is not a tiny change. I had hoped it would be, which is why I
supported it in the initial PMC vote, but it's becoming clear to me I was
overly optimistic.
--
John Hardin KA
> This is not a tiny change. I had hoped it would be, which is why I
supported it
> in the initial PMC vote, but it's becoming clear to me I was overly
optimistic.
Wait until you have to vote on the use of the word welcomelist.
Preferring English to other languages could be seen as discrimi
Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> On 7/21/2020 9:25 PM, Loren Wilton wrote:
>> I do strongly wonder whether this is "society" or only "people in the
>> USA".
> One data point disproves that. The SA project made the choice months
> ago inspired by a decision in the United Kingdom:
>
https://www.zdnet.com/a
* Charles Sprickman:
> Rather than tolerate the tiniest of changes you throw a tantrum.
"Tiny changes", as in small stones getting kicked down a slope, causing
an avalanche. Attempts to restrict vocabulary should be a very familiar
and worrying concept to anyone who read Orwell. Speaking out agai
On 20200722 15:17:03, Ralph Seichter wrote:
* Charles Sprickman:
Rather than tolerate the tiniest of changes you throw a tantrum.
"Tiny changes", as in small stones getting kicked down a slope, causing
an avalanche. Attempts to restrict vocabulary should be a very familiar
and worrying concep
Has it occurred to ANYONE arguing over this that the source code of
SpamAssassin is Open Source so if you do not like the politically
correct change that was made to appease the Snowflakes, that it is
not that difficult to write a patch that will switch the distribution
back to the old wording?
On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> You could even fork the SpamAssassin code if you like, you know. In
> fact, let's do that. We will make a new fork and call it the
> "SpamAssasin-N-W" short for SpamAssassin Non Wussy, put it up on
> Sorceforge for download, and just mi
Note: If you fork a project, you cannot use the name, just the code. For
SA, You would need your own update system. Rules are also open source so
you can use them but would have to rename many especially those with
initials. And remove / gain permission for thhe rules that are 3rd party
used wit
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2020-07-23 16:06:
Note: If you fork a project, you cannot use the name, just the code.
so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to
change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other
On 23/07/20 16:53, Benny Pedersen wrote:
so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission
to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each
other
I think that rspamd's approach is correct. Rspamd just takes SA rules
and use them. It doesn't provide the
Riccardo Alfieri skrev den 2020-07-23 17:01:
On 23/07/20 16:53, Benny Pedersen wrote:
so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission
to change rules names ?, but thay
did, wonderfull world of help each other
I think that rspamd's approach is correct.
i am not a jura stu
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 15:01 +, Riccardo Alfieri wrote:
> I think that rspamd's approach is correct. Rspamd just takes SA rules
> and use them. It doesn't provide the rules, meaning that you most
> likely
> need to have an installation of at least sa-update on the same
> machine
> that runs r
Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek?
Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming
people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about
forking was serious
Ted
On 7/23/2020 7:06 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Note: If you
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>
> Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek?
>
> Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming
> people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about
> forking was seriou
On 24/07/2020 04:29, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek?
>
> Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming
> people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about
> forking was serious
>
> Ted
>
>
>> I do wish that the handful of loud, non-contributors who have so
>> much to say about someone else’s project would shut up and fork it,
TBH.
Is that not a lot like, this is my toilet it is only for white people,
please
build your own somewhere else, you are free to do so?
I think that one of the reasons why more and more people dogpile on
the conversation is because a lot of people have already dogpiled on
it.
I've been in this mailing list since 2015 and this has been the
loudest thread I've noticed since then.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:49 AM Marc Roos wrote:
>
>
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 03:24:
The fact the OP never included you means they knew you were being
sarcastic, kevin cant see that because he is in total defensive mode,
he thought people would suck up his dictatorship and roll over and
move on, but he was so so so wrong.
is PMC members
On 24/07/2020 22:01, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 03:24:
>
>> The fact the OP never included you means they knew you were being
>> sarcastic, kevin cant see that because he is in total defensive mode,
>> he thought people would suck up his dictatorship and roll over an
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57:
because it shits trolls like you off
https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk
Arrg do we have to invoke the "Toilet Rule"* ?
Would everyone calm down if Kevin would promise to never make another
change to bow to the gods of Political Correctness? Kevin, would you
be humble enough to make this promise and admit you stepped in a
pile of caw-caw?
I'm sure the real spammers
On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57:
>
>> because it shits trolls like you off
>
> https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk
dunno what you referenced benny I only click on links that are from
f
On 7/24/20 7:41 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57:
because it shits trolls like you off
https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk
dunno what you referenced benny I
>>>
> On 7/24/20 7:41 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
>
>> On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote:
>>
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57:
>>>
because it shits trolls like you off
>>>
>>>
> https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8I
> kQZsir2aUw-H919hk
>>
>>
On 7/26/20 6:06 PM, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
On 7/24/20 7:41 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57:
because it shits trolls like you off
https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8I
kQZsir2
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