[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

2011-12-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
.. regards Martyn --- On Mon, 19/12/11, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo To: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 19 December

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

2011-12-20 Thread Chris Despopoulos
__ From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:41 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo Dear Eloy, I'm very

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

2011-12-20 Thread Monica Hall
. Monica - Original Message - From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo I just found this -- a thesis by Natasha Frances Miles submitted

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2011-12-20 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:17:42 -0800 (PST), Chris Despopoulos wrote I just found this -- a thesis by Natasha Frances Miles submitted to the University of Birmingham. Time permitting, I intend to give it a read. I can't imagine the guitar didn't enjoy certain burlesque qualities from

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

2011-12-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
strumming c.1600. regards Martyn --- On Tue, 20/12/11, Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday

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2011-12-20 Thread Monica Hall
, December 20, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo Dear Eloy, I'm very much with Monica on this: what little evidence we have (such as Millioni) suggests a certain refinement in strumming (... in this way the music will be rendered more sweetly

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2011-12-19 Thread Chris Despopoulos
__ From: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com To: Vihuela List vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:47 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo Dear List Although the subject of this thread is labeled

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2011-12-19 Thread Monica Hall
Of Monica Hall Sent: 18 December 2011 21:40 To: Stewart McCoy Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo That's interesting - but surely a competant cittern player would not play them as writen but would correct them? The point I was making is that - yes - the chords have been

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

2011-12-19 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo Dear List Although the subject of this thread is labeled Strumming as basso continuo, the exchange of different list members has to do with how to conduct or organize the harmony in the fingerboard, not at all with strumming. I think the 2 main

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2011-12-18 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Martyn, I understand that there is a problem with the theorbo in A, in Caccini's 'Reggami.' According to Alessandro Striggio the elder Caccini could accompany from a bass on the lute and harpsichord. So, what would be the right instrument/tuning for this song? Lex Other types of

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2011-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} Dear Chris, I note Monica's comment below

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2011-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} Monica, you're absolutely right that by definition it's not continuous bass when playing derived harmonies in the alfabeto. I was only supposing that the harmonies

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2011-12-18 Thread Eloy Cruz
Dear List Although the subject of this thread is labeled Strumming as basso continuo, the exchange of different list members has to do with how to conduct or organize the harmony in the fingerboard, not at all with strumming. I think the 2 main features of guitarra española de cinco órdenes are

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2011-12-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Martyn --- On Fri, 16/12/11, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}

2011-12-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 17 December, 2011, 8:58

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2011-12-17 Thread Monica Hall
- From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona

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2011-12-17 Thread Monica Hall
when performing them.. or do you? As ever Monica rgds M --- On Sat, 17/12/11, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar

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2011-12-17 Thread Monica Hall
Ah - I think I know what's happening - you've got the wrong end of the stick: I am glad you know what is happening. It all depends on which end of the stick one has got hold of. I'm not (and have not as far as I can see) suggesting that an alfabeto accompaniment necessarily converts

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2011-12-17 Thread bud roach
wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Received

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2011-12-17 Thread Chris Despopoulos
: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:32 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} That is all perfectly clear - but has absolutely nothing to do with playing an alfabeto accompaniment - because the guitar

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2011-12-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
performances of his setting of Missa Ego flos campi. Perhaps they were commonly employed, but are there any early records of this? Martyn --- On Thu, 15/12/11, Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso

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2011-12-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
for the theorbo also applies to earlier music (eg Monteverdi et als) as well as Locke and later. regards Martyn --- On Thu, 15/12/11, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}

2011-12-16 Thread Chris Despopoulos
: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:41 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} Thanks Monica, It is a realisation of the bass line but, because of the requirements

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2011-12-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, reflects Marini's position too. regards martyn --- On Fri, 16/12/11, Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question

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2011-12-16 Thread bud roach
(either here or on my contact page) and thank you for your scholarship! Bud Roach --- On Fri, 12/16/11, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}

2011-12-16 Thread Eloy Cruz
: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 15 December, 2011, 19:35 Of course, like you, I doubt whether the Pope would have expected

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2011-12-16 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question

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2011-12-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
found in some modern performances of solo songs. Martyn --- On Wed, 14/12/11, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re

[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}

2011-12-15 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:13 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo

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2011-12-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday

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2011-12-15 Thread Eloy Cruz
Of course, like you, I doubt whether the Pope would have expected a strummed guitar in Palestrina's Messa Papae Marcelli. Indeed, is there even any evidence for the excessive strumming in some modern fashionable performances of South American sacred settings? Probably not as much

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2011-12-15 Thread Monica Hall
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} Hmmm... Does a realised bass part always have to contain the bass exactly as written in the staff notation as its lowest

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2011-12-15 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:35 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]} Probably

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2011-12-14 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:52 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to earlier question: {was: Agazzari