Re: Can't restart IIci

> >on 7/30/02 2:02 PM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Any ideas out there? Thanks for any help. >>try hooking the monitor to the Supermac card and holding down the spacebar >>on restart. If that doesn't do it, take the Supermac card out and try >>zapping pram. >>-- >>All the best, >>

Re: Can't restart IIci

on 7/31/02 7:58 AM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > dan_A > -- > I still have not had any success in starting up. Are there any other > ideas out there? This IIci is still a good machine and I would really > like to get it going again. > > dan_A battery the right way around? -- All the

Re: Can't restart IIci

>on 7/31/02 7:58 AM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> >> dan_A >> -- >> I still have not had any success in starting up. Are there any other >> ideas out there? This IIci is still a good machine and I would really >> like to get it going again. >> >> dan_A >battery the right way aroun

Re: Can't restart IIci

on 7/31/02 8:37 AM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Battery is in the right way. The old battery had an extra large plus > side button, so it was easy to get the right orientation. Thanks. > > dan_A Take the Supermac card out till you get the machine to run. How is your ram set up? The IIci

Re: Can't restart IIci

>on 7/31/02 8:37 AM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Battery is in the right way. The old battery had an extra large plus >> side button, so it was easy to get the right orientation. Thanks. >> >> dan_A >Take the Supermac card out till you get the machine to run. How is your ram >set up?

Re: Can't restart IIci

on 7/31/02 9:30 AM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Think theres > anything dangerous trying that? Or do you know of a similar piece of > software that I could try. I couldn't boot from a sys 7.5 floppy. Give a careful account of the exact happenings when you try to boot. Fan? Lights? any HD

Re: Can't restart IIci

> I still have not had any success in starting up. Are there any other > ideas out there? This IIci is still a good machine and I would really > like to get it going again. Does it have a cache card? If it does, pull it, and try again. The card in my IIci went south, and it wouldn't boot. --

Re: Can't restart IIci

>on 7/31/02 9:30 AM, dan_A at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Think theres >> anything dangerous trying that? Or do you know of a similar piece of >> software that I could try. I couldn't boot from a sys 7.5 floppy. >Give a careful account of the exact happenings when you try to boot. Fan? >Light

Re: Can't restart IIci

> > I still have not had any success in starting up. Are there any other >> ideas out there? This IIci is still a good machine and I would really >> like to get it going again. > >Does it have a cache card? If it does, pull it, and try again. The >card in my IIci went south, and it wouldn't b

Re: Can't restart IIci

> > >Does it have a cache card? If it does, pull it, and try again. The >>card in my IIci went south, and it wouldn't boot. > > > >-- >Okay, I was just about to pull the Supermac card out again...I'll >remove the cache card too. Let you know. > >dan_A -- I removed the video card which I had

Re: Can't restart IIci

>>It started up with cache card out.<< Good. Send the card off to your worst enemy. >>Is there a way to test cache card?<< Yup. Put it back in. No start, dead card. Or go buy another known good one. Frame the old one. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by and... Small

Re: Can't restart IIci

At 10:54 -0400 on 31/07/02, dan_A wrote: >I get a single chime, The power light has gone on, there is some >whirring & clicking of the hd trying to start. That stops after about >12 seconds. Then all you can hear is the fan. Also at the hitting of Disconnect the hard disk and try again. -- the

Re: Can't restart IIci

>At 10:54 -0400 on 31/07/02, dan_A wrote: > >>I get a single chime, The power light has gone on, there is some >>whirring & clicking of the hd trying to start. That stops after about >>12 seconds. Then all you can hear is the fan. Also at the hitting of > >Disconnect the hard disk and try again. >

Re: Can't restart IIci

If you have system floppy with a bare bones system on it try to start it with the floppy with the HD disconnected. If it starts on the floppy then its the HD if not you may need other repairs such as a motherboard at least they are cheep now they used to be over $1000.00 Gary -- Vintage Macs i

OS copyright

I'm starting this on the Vintage Macs because it might be the case that many vintage Mac users/owners find themselves using upgraded software re Operating Systems. We've had several strings that have discussed the do's and don'ts, right and wrongs about using software with . . .or without "owning"

Re: OS copyright

"R.A. Cantrell" wrote: > > I'm not really interested in hearing a bunch of practical advice in the > matter, but in discussing the abstract principles involved. First off, if it's an Apple system prior to OS 7.6.1 and not including SSW 7.1 (althought that restriction may have been lift

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 2:00 PM, william ahearn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > First off, if it's an Apple system prior to OS 7.6.1 > and not including SSW 7.1 (althought that restriction > may have been lifted), you can put the software on your > dog and your toaster and all your Macs without > infringing any

Re: OS copyright

At 14:13 -0500 on 31/07/02, R.A. Cantrell wrote: >Thanks for the response. To push the abstraction a bit further, let's say >we're talking OS 8.1 and that it is on a computer bought and dragged in >from a garage sale? How about on a stack of HD's pulled from computers >bought at a garage s

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 2:19 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Technically, a seller is *supposed* to transfer the licence with the computer, > or if they don't wish to transfer the licence, wipe the computer clean. So in > theory, at least, it's not *your* problem. That leaves open the possibili

Re: OS copyright

"R.A. Cantrell" wrote: > > Thanks for the response. To push the abstraction a bit further, let's say > we're talking OS 8.1 and that it is on a computer bought and dragged in > from a garage sale? In real terms, I don't give it a second thought. I wipe every acquired drive anyway -- aft

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 2:39 PM, william ahearn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If the NYC police can be convinced > by some copyright holder to raid my apartment and take > down serial numbers from the software on an SE/30 or a > 6100, then we're really in trouble. > > William You're going in the direction of

Re: OS copyright

"R.A. Cantrell" wrote: > > You're going in the direction of the practical and away from the abstract, > but, in those practical terms, I think it's going to get darker outside > before it gets lighter, if you know what I mean. Then, let me put it this way: Does the use of the software dep

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 3:02 PM, william ahearn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Then, let me put it this way: Does the use of the > software deprive anyone of anything? Yes, potential licensing fees. Moolah. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by

Re: OS copyright

"R.A. Cantrell" wrote: > > Then, let me put it this way: Does the use of the > > software deprive anyone of anything? > Yes, potential licensing fees. Moolah. > -- In the case of currently available software I agree with you. But what about software that hasn't had an update in years, offers n

Re: OS copyright

At 15:05 -0500 on 31/07/02, R.A. Cantrell wrote: >on 7/31/02 3:02 PM, william ahearn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Then, let me put it this way: Does the use of the >> software deprive anyone of anything? >Yes, potential licensing fees. Moolah. It's pretty difficult to make that argument when

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 3:10 PM, william ahearn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In the case of currently available software I agree > with you. I'm trying to direct the conversation toward this category in order to confine the discussion to the abstract consideration of ownership rights, not the practical aspec

Re: OS copyright

Try to justify casual use all you like, but a copyright is a copyright, and a license is a license. Long-time readers know that I am a huge NeXT fan, and that I keep a couple of those machines running at home. Absolutely NO SOFTWARE can be bought today for these machines -- you're lucky to fi

Re: OS copyright

At 16:36 -0400 on 31/07/02, Eagle wrote: >even. But just because it cannot be bought anywhere today, and just >because no company in existence cares one patootey about any copyright >for NeXT software, that doesn't make it legal (whether it is moral is >another question) for me to pirate that so

Re: OS copyright

Eagle wrote: > > Try to justify casual use all you like, but a copyright is a copyright, > and a license is a license. > I think this is what RA was headed toward in discussing this subject in the abstract. This is a question that's going to be asked and twisted in the coming years. All of the

Re: OS copyright

my understanding on the issue (after speaking with Apple) is that whatever software was ORIGINALLY installed on ANY Apple computer by Apple is legal with or without discs ALL other software (unless deemed FREE by the copyright owner or allowed by the copyright owner) is use at your own peril (you

Re: OS copyright

My Reply follows quote. On 31/07/2002 13:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.A. Cantrell) >on 7/31/02 3:10 PM, william ahearn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In the case of currently available software I agree >> with you. >I'm trying to direct the conversation toward this

Re: OS copyright

At 19:22 -0400 on 31/07/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >of the underlying code may exist for several generations of the operating >system. Thus, the creator "deserves" to profit from his work. It would He can have the code. I don't care. But if the company won't sell me the software, by golly, t

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's take a look: > the underlying code may exist for several generations of the operating > system. Thus, the creator The creator? or the discoverer? The fellow who "created" 2+2=4 doesn't > "deserves" necessarily "deserve" a

Re: OS copyright

on 7/31/02 6:49 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > He can have the code. I don't care. But if the company won't sell me the > software, by golly, they don't have any damn business telling me I can't use > it. I won't sell you my '56 Corvette and you can't use it. -- All the best, R.A

Re: OS copyright

At 19:41 -0500 on 31/07/02, R.A. Cantrell wrote: >on 7/31/02 6:49 PM, the pickle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> He can have the code. I don't care. But if the company won't sell me the >> software, by golly, they don't have any damn business telling me I can't use >> it. >I won't sell you my

Re: OS copyright

"R.A. Cantrell" wrote: > > Do certain forms, or levels, of code transcend the concept of property? Of course. There are always exceptions to ownership. The "eminent domain" concept is one although not an analogous one. We're not really talking property here as much as we are talking ownersh

copywrite

Let's not forget that there are companies that buy up software programs just to kill it. I ran into an interesting site, while looking up information on Desqview. This was a DOS based program that provided a graphical interface, before Windows took over everything. I have this theory that PCs w

Re: copywrite

At 18:48 -0700 on 31/07/02, Teri Pittman wrote: >graphical interface, before Windows took over everything. I have this >theory that PCs would really cook if we still used DOS, since the hardware I think that's more of a proven fact than theory - look at Linux run from a console :) >encourage p

Surreptitious, but not subversive, downloading

Situation: I've got a fine Pismo G3 but a terribly slow phone connection. I need to download some large pgms and docs (Mozilla, etc,) and library only lets us use 1.4 meg floppies. So, has anyone been able to slip into the computer sections of their library and plug a zip drive into one of the

Re: copywrite

Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages that is the value of the "pirated" software to the company. It would be difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is really worth anything to you at all. Terry > I'm perfectly happy to pay f

Re: copywrite

At 22:11 -0400 on 31/07/02, Terry Mathews wrote: >Another thought is that Copyright convictions usually involve actual damages >that is the value of the "pirated" software to the company. It would be >difficult to prove that this software that you don't even sell anymore is >really worth anything

Copyright Issue

The copyright issue is a world wide joke. Whole, entire, countries and populations do not honor US copyright laws. Heck, you can buy a copy of Windows newest OS on good clean CDs on the streets of Bangkok, bundled with their newest office all for 10 bucks unless you get them down to 5 dollars

Re: Copyright Issue

dhill wrote: > > The copyright issue is a world wide joke. A recent estimate put the number of pirate installations of Windows in Vietnam at 90%. It was considered an indicator for Southeast Asia as a whole. At one time, Hong Kong was the pirate capital of publishing churning out US best sel

Re: Copyright Issue

At 22:51 -0400 on 31/07/02, william ahearn wrote: >dhill wrote: >> >> The copyright issue is a world wide joke. > >A recent estimate put the number of pirate >installations of Windows in Vietnam at 90%. It was >considered an indicator for Southeast Asia as a whole. I can attest to that. I've se

Whining Drives

Hi folks: Does anyone have experience with Seagate ST15150N drives? Is it "normal" for them to be incredibly noisy in a "whiney" sort of way? I'm not complaining because these came in a two-drive SCSI enclosure that I thought to contain no working drives whatsoever. But these two drives both seem

Re: Whining Drives

At 21:11 -0600 on 31/07/02, Visionary wrote: >Does anyone have experience with Seagate ST15150N drives? Is it "normal" for >them to be incredibly noisy in a "whiney" sort of way? I'm not complaining Never had one myself, but a high-pitched whine wouldn't surprise me coming from that drive, becau

Re: OS copyright

I'll jump in here... It's not the developer of the jpeg compression scheme that's trying to enforce the patent, it's a holding company that acquired the rights to a piece of the algorithm in a purchase of a another company. IIRC, the patent expires in (literally) a couple months. Read all ab

Re: Whining Drives

the pickle wrote: > > At 21:11 -0600 on 31/07/02, Visionary wrote: > > because the Barracudas are notoriously fast and high-end :) When > you spin the platters that fast, some whining is bound to happen. > -- Sorta like an F-15 coming up from a cold start. It can get annoying. It's on a shelf

Re: OS copyright

Jim Arnott wrote: > > I'll jump in here... > > It's not the developer of the jpeg compression scheme that's trying to > enforce the patent, it's a holding company that acquired the rights to a > piece of the algorithm in a purchase of a another company. IIRC, the > patent expires in (literall

Re: Copyright Issue

I use OpenOffice on my Wintel and Linux boxes. They are 100% MS Word compatible as is Abiword. They are FREE! I would use it on my older Macs if there were a release. I think that M$ Office would die a quick death if people didn't simply steal it from work or school or the net or a buddy..

Re: Whining Drives

> Does anyone have experience with Seagate ST15150N drives? Is it "normal" for > them to be incredibly noisy in a "whiney" sort of way? I'm not complaining > because these came in a two-drive SCSI enclosure that I thought to contain > no working drives whatsoever. But these two drives both seem to

Re: OS copyright

Take a look at this stuff. It's pretty scary. This software discussion could become irrelevant. It could only be these old klunker computers with their forgotten software that are "safe." That would make that unadultereated classicII in the closet the only safe solution. It's all ready there !

Re: Whining Drives

>Seagate ST15150N drives? > > It is an obscenely loud drive, yes. It is also faster than greased lightning > and generates enough heat to contribute to global warning. Keep it well > ventilated. The ST15150N is a real hot-rod in both speed and temperature. This is interesting because I plan on pu

Re: OS copyright

All very true. There is a bill before Congress, that is expected to pass shortly. I do not remember exactly what the main part of the bill is about, but there is a rider attached to the end that would make it a serious felony to bypass DRM technologies...! One can only hope for more sanity in the

Re: Whining Drives

At 15:23 +1000 on 01/08/02, b e n w e l l s | headwerkx wrote: >>Seagate ST15150N drives? >> >> It is an obscenely loud drive, yes. It is also faster than greased >lightning >> and generates enough heat to contribute to global warning. Keep it well >> ventilated. The ST15150N is a real hot-rod

Re: OS copyright

At 01:24 -0400 on 01/08/02, Terry Mathews wrote: >All very true. There is a bill before Congress, that is expected to pass >shortly. I do not remember exactly what the main part of the bill is about, >but there is a rider attached to the end that would make it a serious felony >to bypass DRM tech

Re: OS copyright

I have just subscribed to the digest mode. I've been gone for 15 hours, and when I got back on I had almost 70 emails, mostly this copyrite stuff. I'm not usually a goody-2-shoe, and I really don't mind off-topic disussions, but hasn't this topic gone to the extremes? As a former Napster user,

Re: OS copyright

I think it's quite possible Palladium could be Microsoft's downfall. People seem to put up with an awful lot from MS (after all, XP is selling) but this is going too far. Apple did the right thing regarding legacy software for legacy hardware by making their OS up to a certain date free. Microsof

Re: Whining Drives

>Hi folks: > >Does anyone have experience with Seagate ST15150N drives? Is it "normal" for >them to be incredibly noisy in a "whiney" sort of way? I'm not complaining >because these came in a two-drive SCSI enclosure that I thought to contain >no working drives whatsoever. But these two drives bot