RE: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Remi Cornwall
Tsck! Vegan f.ing cats. What about in a zoo? Vegan f.ing lions and tigers!? Non-competitive sport, decaffeinated coffee, alcohol free beer, non-penetrative sex (so the woman doesn't feel stabbed in the feminist sense), new men, 'obscene wealth' and on and on. I can't be bothered to argue with

[VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, One can accept that liars can figure while figures don't lie.. well.. errr.. until we listen to Sec. Paulson explain how wonders can equal numbers while eating cucumbers... or numbers can perform wonders.. or.. err.. maybe I am just suspicious when anybody starts explaining how

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Terry Blanton
To unsubscribe from the Vortex-L list simply send a null message (nothing in the body) to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word 'unsubscribe' in the subject (less quotes, of course). Namasté! Terry On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tsck! Vegan f.ing cats.

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Esa Ruoho
would it be time to comprehend the GEET plasma reactor method then? ive tried to put together a Pantone week on MERLib and this is the result: http://merlib.org/?q=person/paul-pantone their thermal discovery seems interesting, i grabbed it from their old powerpoint files. what the picture

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Esa Ruoho wrote: would it be time to comprehend the GEET plasma reactor method then? ive tried to put together a Pantone week on MERLib and this is the result: http://merlib.org/?q=person/paul-pantone their thermal discovery seems interesting, i grabbed it from their old powerpoint

[Vo]:DiLithium ... (reposting)

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
This is a repost of a message sent Sunday, which did not make it to the archives. For some reason some messages sent on the weekend do not get into the archives. I am writing a second part to the message below, which may seem a little too flippant to be serious. But is does have a serious

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Esa Ruoho
2008/9/23 Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i see that the pantone thing is either called a plasma reactor, a refinery/carburetor system, or purely just transmutation. he seems to use the alignment of the magnetic field, a steel iron rod of specific length, temperature and so forth to

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
Esa ive tried to put together a Pantone week on MERLib and this is the result: http://merlib.org/?q=person/paul-pantone Nice work, and it looks like you already know of the large amount of work being done in France on this kind of fuel-reformer, and esp. from the Quanthomme website (love

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread John Steck
Succinct as ever. God how I've missed that. Best wishes. I've had my fill as well... later. -john -- From: Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2008-09-23 Thread John Steck

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2008-09-23 Thread Terry Blanton
send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, John Steck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ron Wormus wrote: . . . a single sentence of thirty-two words, but it represents a significant consolidation of power and an abdication of oversight authority that's so flat-out astounding that it ought to set one's hair on fire. It reads, in its entirety: Decisions by the Secretary

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Edmund Storms
On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Ron Wormus wrote: . . . a single sentence of thirty-two words, but it represents a significant consolidation of power and an abdication of oversight authority that's so flat-out astounding that it ought to set one's hair on fire. It

[Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
Great News for the Heartland - in fact it comes from the corn-belt, but will certainly cause the collapse of high corn prices eventually, possibly as early as next year if subsidies for ethanol are removed. The end of food-grain derived ethanol now appears to be firmly on the horizon !

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Yesterday, an alternative fuel developed by U of Wisconsin prof. James Dumesic was announced which looks a lot like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in vehicles today. That's because the new fuel is identical at the molecular level to petroleum-based fuel. The only

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread leaking pen
Hmm, since its a conversion of the cellulose tissue, thats not neccesarily true. tree waste certainly has a lot more energy than the seeds it makes does. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones Beene wrote: Yesterday, an alternative fuel developed by U of

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Ron Wormus
Jed, There needs to be more transparency. How many mortgages are actually in default? I heard less than 20%. Why not just pay those off from the bottom up instead of rescuing all these guys who leveraged themselves at 30:1? I don't trust Bush his gang of theives. I see it as a last theft

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Jed Rothwell As I have pointed out before, several times, it does not matter where it comes from. If you converted the entire plant growth of North America -- every stick, every leaf, acorn and grain of corn grown in the continent -- into fuel you would not

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: Hmm, since its a conversion of the cellulose tissue, thats not neccesarily true. tree waste certainly has a lot more energy than the seeds it makes does. Not over the entire life of the tree. And, as I said, especially not for a domesticated agricultural tree, such as an

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
At 03:47 PM 9/23/2008, Ron Wormus wrote: Jed, There needs to be more transparency. How many mortgages are actually in default? I heard less than 20%. Amen to that. As I said, the quickest way to separate the sheep from the goats would be to demand that any company that participates in

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: As I have pointed out before, several times, you have relied on an incorrect and woefully outdated source, Pimentel, who has been debunked over and over again. Yes, by the ethanol lobby. He and I are well aware of their take on the matter. We don't trust their numbers.

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message JB: As I have pointed out before, several times, you have relied on an incorrect and woefully outdated source, Pimentel, who has been debunked over and over again. JR: Yes, by the ethanol lobby. He and I are well aware of their take on the matter. We don't trust

[Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Subject: The end of corn-ethanol Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:54:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Source: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Hi All, This is great news. With compressed natural gas freed up by wind power electricity to run U.

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:41:44 -0600: Hi, [snip] The obese problem will gradually go away and be replaced by the underweight problem. I wonder how the government will handle this problem? [snip] The problem of obesity may not go away, because it is probably

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:05:37 -0600: Hi, [snip] I hope the people who elected and supported him are pleased. [snip] He was voted for by lots of people, but he was never elected, as both elections were rigged. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree, Robin. The food industry has made money at our expense, at least at the expense of people who don't do their homework. But don't me started on this outrage. When trying to predict the future in order to protect myself, I ask, how many basic mistakes at every level of living can a

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Edmund Storms
On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:05:37 -0600: Hi, [snip] I hope the people who elected and supported him are pleased. [snip] He was voted for by lots of people, but he was never elected, as both elections

[Vo]:Quote of the Day

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
The greatest advances in all of science have always come from ideas that were vilified. From Galileo, to Columbus, to Semmelweis whose career was destroyed for having the audacity to suggest that physicians should wash their hands before delivering a baby. We can proudly add to that list Martin

[Vo]:Dodge (Re)Charger

2008-09-23 Thread Terry Blanton
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080923/BUSINESS01/80923029 Chrysler LLC is unveiling three electric vehicles today, one of which will be ready for sale by the end of 2010, a top company executive said, in what he expects will be shocks to the industry. skip We will have

RE: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Dr. Robert Atkins makes a good case that humans evolved carnivorous, the teeth for example are designed for meat eating, and that the ability to eat carbohydrates ( veggies ) was a design afterthought and is not well developed, often resulting in diabetes, and requires insulin to process, which

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread OrionWorks
Since we are speculating on presidential outcomes I thought this might be a good opportunity to share the opinions of a blatantly unscientific and unverified source - particularly insofar as this source's take on the election. Please take the following predictions with a grain of salt. ;-) The

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Edmund Storms
Good analysis Steven. I hope you are right. Ed On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:55 PM, OrionWorks wrote: Since we are speculating on presidential outcomes I thought this might be a good opportunity to share the opinions of a blatantly unscientific and unverified source - particularly insofar as this

Re: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oil

2008-09-23 Thread Terry Blanton
Except that I had a friend who developed gout on the Atkins diet. Terry On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Robert Atkins makes a good case that humans evolved carnivorous, the teeth for example are designed for meat eating, and that the ability

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Jones Beene
Steven You may be underestimating the level of closet racism in the USA. But lest we deplete the ranks of vorticians even further - why not at least label this kind of political post as off-topic?

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Terry Blanton
But Obama is a smoker whose parents died early in life. And Biden has suffered two brain aneurysms. If they both die, guess who's the prez? (But everyone knew her as Nancy.) Prediction: Considering Biden's latest performances, after the VP debate, he will pull out due to health reasons and

Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-23 Thread R C Macaulay
Unless, and this can be troubling ...we have already elected our last President. By executive order, the President can now put off the next election. Yes! the power is in place because executive orders now in place permit this if a national emergency is declared. The existing President can

[Vo]:Subprime Submarines

2008-09-23 Thread thomas malloy
Ed Storms opined: True, but small comfort. Nevertheless, this rigging would not have been effective if the election had not been so close. Now we have another close election, which demonstrates the total irrational thinking of at least 1/2 of the population. One of us has an incorrect

Re: [Vo]:Subprime Submarines

2008-09-23 Thread Edmund Storms
On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:42 PM, thomas malloy wrote: Ed Storms opined: True, but small comfort. Nevertheless, this rigging would not have been effective if the election had not been so close. Now we have another close election, which demonstrates the total irrational thinking of at

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-23 Thread Michael Foster
Jed wrote: Beene refers to ag waste. As I have pointed out numerous times, most of the energy in agricultural plants is in the seeds, and we eat them. All plants concentrate energy in the seeds, and plants bred for food concentrate even more (making them vulnerable to natural enemies