Hello John,
Glad I brought out a fellow lurker!
I'm more a lurker here too, but would you mind clarifying the geometry of your
question?
For the purposes of the thought experiment, just think of a free floating
toriodal magnetic field - don't worry yet about what is generating it - but we
Grok is a coward.
If he really believed what he was preaching, then he wouldn't be afraid to use
his real name.
I think most everyone I'm aware of on this list has apologized at one time or
another... It's what a
person with integrity does when they realize their mistake or transgression.
The
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Mark S Bilk wrote:
I should have stood up for Grok, because his comments (at least the ones
I read) were accurate,
His online behavior attracted complaints. Obviously his politics are
not the issue. Perhaps you didn't read enough of his messages?
Bill, please reinstate
My email doesnt have my real name anymore, due to a few reasons, but
its the one i use becuase its my main email. i could easily
resubscribe to this list with one that has my name. enh.
For all those defending him, i agree with grok politically more than i
do anyone else here, it seems, but the
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Mark Iverson wrote:
I think most everyone I'm aware of on this list has apologized at one
time or another... It's what a person with integrity does when they
realize their mistake or transgression.
Trademarks of the troll/flamer/fsckhead are, refusal to apologize, plus
use
On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 11:48:07PM -0700, Mark Iverson wrote:
Grok is a coward.
If he really believed what he was preaching, then he wouldn't be afraid to use
his real name.
The U.S. government has said that people who deny the
government story about 9/11, or who want the government
to obey
Here I was thinking this whole terrorist thing was a bull crap, but now I
see there are terrorists literally everywhere, even on this list, even on
the chair I'm sitting in...
I guess if you have a web of lies anyone who insists on the truth becomes a
terrorist...
The U.S. government has said
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Mark S Bilk wrote:
So anyone who speaks out against U.S. government policies is well
justified in doing so anonymously. In this case anonymity does _not_
mean:
probably criminal element ...teenager, or newbie user.
Then I'll permanently ban him from both lists, as well
Posting politics, same reason I removed grok.
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote:
Here I was thinking this whole terrorist thing was a bull crap, but now I
see there are terrorists literally everywhere, even on this list, even on
the chair I'm sitting in...
(( ( ( (
Posting politics during the politics ban, same offense as grok
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Mark S Bilk wrote:
On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 11:48:07PM -0700, Mark Iverson wrote:
Grok is a coward.
If he really believed what he was preaching, then he wouldn't be afraid to
use his real name.
The U.S.
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote:
I guess if you have a web of lies anyone who insists on the truth becomes a
terrorist...
No, that's just dishonest. The truth is simple: anyone who posts
political observations to a list that has a ban on politics... may
attract a moderator response
Well done. I'm sick and tired of these childish political bores who think every
forum, no matter what its purpose, is their playpen.
So, i downloaded this companies smaller developer kit a while ago, and
was on their mailing list. They just finally released the big kahuna
kit with headsets.
If i had the money for investment, id be getting the big license, as
i've an even dozen things i can do with those headsets. Sigh. Perhaps
Since the magnetic field is em radiation of a sort, think of it like
the classic spaceship with a flashlight scenario (which is the ONLY
thing i have EVER found in physics that i still cannot wrap my mind
against. I understand what it is saying, my brain just refuses to
accept it as accurate)
if
leaking pen wrote:
So, i downloaded this companies smaller developer kit a while ago, and
was on their mailing list. They just finally released the big kahuna
kit with headsets.
If i had the money for investment, id be getting the big license, as
i've an even dozen things i can do with
It actually picks up brain waves, from my understanding. I know a bit
more about the other company that makes similar. They have a headset
with a single sensor, and it picks up concentration states and
meditation states, basically. This is supposed to be the same thing,
but with more pickups.
OK here goes. Response below is to Michael's original message and to
Leaking's response.
The reasponse to Leaking is lengthy; the response to Michael comes 'way
down at the end, after it.
leaking pen wrote:
Since the magnetic field is em radiation of a sort,
A magnetic field is a magnetic
You know what they say...
If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck (troll), it probably is.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: William Beaty [mailto:bi...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:52 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:grok is removed temporarily
On Sun, 7 Jun
So...
I think i followed all the math on that, very simple math, thank you!
and, my original didnt start with lights being turned on with the ship
passing the station, but that DOES simplify things. thanks!
So... What your saying is that if you take into account time dilation,
the light DOES
leaking pen wrote:
So...
I think i followed all the math on that, very simple math, thank you!
and, my original didnt start with lights being turned on with the ship
passing the station, but that DOES simplify things. thanks!
So... What your saying is that if you take into account
So, its not velocity that causes time dillation, thats simply a
convenient way of reffering to it.
Its the difference in actual space traveled during the interval
compared to going in a geodesic, or straight line?
which, honestly, is a sum of the velocities of the trip of the non
geodesic
How do you make the differentiation between politics and physics? Hard.
Best wishes,
David
On 6/8/09, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Mark S Bilk wrote:
So anyone who speaks out against U.S. government policies is well
justified in doing so anonymously. In this
the difference between science and hard facts, and politics and opinion?
seems easy to me.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, David
Jonssondavidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote:
How do you make the differentiation between politics and physics? Hard.
Best wishes,
David
On 6/8/09, William Beaty
I have a paper out on Special Ralativity.? It covers velocity related time
dialation.
It was formulated from the observables see in cold fusion experiments
http://www.wbabin.net/science/znidarsic.pdf
enjoy
Frank Z
Politics will ultimately determine the brand of physics we are allowed to
believe.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: David Jonsson [mailto:davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
How
I think the fault lay in my not realizing that time dillation would
have an effect on the observed velocity of light. Very stupid of me
not to think, and then, i wouldn't have assumed that the time
dillation perfectly slides with that difference in velocity.
thanks though!
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009
If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious commentary as well?
Harry
- Original Message -
From: Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
Politics will ultimately determine the brand of physics we
The irony is science cannot happen without a supportive political framework.
Harry
- Original Message -
From: leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
the difference between science and hard facts, and
if you have to believe you have missed the point.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jeff Finkrev...@ptd.net wrote:
Politics will ultimately determine the brand of physics we are allowed to
believe.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: David Jonsson [mailto:davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com]
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Harry Veeder wrote:
If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious commentary as well?
The specific problem was caused by incontinent spraying of political
issues over every topic which was introduced. Religious commentary,
which has occasionally gotten a bit out of hand in the past
I also want to thank you Stephen for your detailed reply to leaking pen. I do
want to understand all of this as well, but it will take me a while to digest!
You can view it that way, but it's a little hazardous, because time
dilation isn't really just a simple number.
So is time dilation a
im sorry, science has happened with a downright COMBATIVE political
framework. large scale corporate science, now that takes a
sociopolitical framework for funding and such.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Harry Veederhvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
The irony is science cannot happen without a
I think the fault lay in my not realizing that time dillation would
have an effect on the observed velocity of light. Very stupid of me
not to think, and then, i wouldn't have assumed that the time
dillation perfectly slides with that difference in velocity.
hmmm I still don't think that is
unsubscribe
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Michael Crosiarcrosia...@yahoo.com wrote:
I also want to thank you Stephen for your detailed reply to leaking pen. I
do want to understand all of this as well, but it will take me a while to
digest!
You can view it that way, but it's a little hazardous, because
Really? Wow, your messages are so detailed and thought out - I would love to
see the ones you threw away!
As for all of this grok stuff, I have lurked here for a long time and enjoyed
your political and religious comments as much as any on science. I would hate
to see the total ban go in
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Harry Veeder wrote:
If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious commentary as well?
It is.Off topic, as in politics/religion.Perhaps you've been
away and missed these threads?
(( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) )))
You are subscribed.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Alexander
Hollinsalexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
subscribe
you have to send that to
vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM, leaking penitsat...@gmail.com wrote:
unsubscribe
whoops, thanks terry. i even recall when that happened previously.
and... my other email was already subscribed? da hell?
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
you have to send that to
vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM, leaking
The FLAME WARRIORS website has depictions of common types involved
in forum uphevals. See if you recognize anyone:
flame warrior index
http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/
Rebel Leader has an uncanny ability to upset the settled order of...
This includes a brand new paper, just coming out (the last in the list).
See:
Mosier-Boss, P.A., et al., Use of CR-39 in Pd/D co-deposition
experiments. Eur. Phys. J. Appl. Phys., 2007. 40: p. 293-303.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MosierBossuseofcrinp.pdf
Kowalski, L., Comments on 'The Use
Mashing that with Natal and an interface to X10 might be kinda fun.
Leaking pen wrote:
It actually picks up brain waves, from my understanding.
snip
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
... time dilation isn't really just a simple number.
Hi All, 6-8-09
Here are some thoughts on time dilation.
Jack Smith
---
Quoting from Relational Mechanics by Andre K. T. Assis, 1999
(This book can be purchased at Amazon.com.)
p. 132
It is
Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
... time dilation isn't really just a simple number.
Hi All, 6-8-09
Here are some thoughts on time dilation.
Jack Smith
...
It is usually stated that this dilation of the proper
time of a body in motion has been proven by
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In the case of the HK experiment, there's so little doubt as to the
result which would obtain with a correctly done experiment that nobody's
bothered to try to replicate it, AFAIK. (Note that if physics
researchers in general were in much doubt about the results
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In the case of the HK experiment, there's so little doubt as to the
result which would obtain with a correctly done experiment that nobody's
bothered to try to replicate it, AFAIK. (Note that if physics
researchers in general were
Leaking pen that illustrates what I mean.
Harry
- Original Message -
From: leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
im sorry, science has happened with a downright COMBATIVE political
framework. large
Thanks for posting that.
I forwarded the Assis quote to another group.
Harry
- Original Message -
From: Taylor J. Smith tj...@centurytel.net
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 5:05 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic
fields and time
Stephen A. Lawrence
- Original Message -
From: William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Harry Veeder wrote:
If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious
commentary as well?
It is.
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic
magnetic fields and time
Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
... time dilation isn't really just
Cold fusion researcher Louis Smullin died on June 4 at age 93. Smullin
worked with Peter Hagelstein at MIT. He was disabled in 2001 and was no
longer able to work after that. See:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/obit-smullin-0608.html
- Jed
I recall two recent comments of worth:
Harry Veeder wrote:
If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious
commentary as well?
And from Stephen Lawrance:
The specific problem was caused by incontinent spraying of
political issues over every topic which was introduced.
Religious
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