Re: [Vo]:New article / Rossi quotes

Very well written paper. Bravissimo, Haiko! Peter On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Haiko Lietz wrote: > Dear all, > > I've published part 10 of my CF column in German online magazine > Telepolis. Of course it's about Rossi again: > > http://www.heise.de/tp/**artikel/35/35803/1.html

[Vo]:Thermophotovoltaic systems - Another way to use heat from an ECat

Thermophotovoltaic systems could provide another way of converting the heat from ECat into electricity. Or if you just want light then there is no need to make electricity. Imagine a flashlight powered by a minature eCat. http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16945&ch=nanotech I po

Re: [Vo]:msnbc reports on Rossi's Oct 28 demo. Hagelstein is quoted.

I see Hagelstein is now saying that vibration lies at the core of the process. Miley has switched to nano meter particles. I have been saying that since 1998. http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_5_11_12.html They will eventually catch and mention the dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 hertz-met

[Vo]:Does Rossi's E-Cat Work? There is Only One Way to Find Out

Does Rossi's E-Cat Work? There is Only One Way to Find Out The past few days have seen the Rossi E-Cat reported in both news and blogs, with still no definitive answer if the device actually works. The process of introducing the device to the market is stirring up lots of controversy. So, how doe

[Vo]:Re: Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

I add another piece: the TEG patent was rejected from EPO for lack of novelty. -Messaggio originale- From: Robert Leguillon Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality I know that this post is going to ruffle some feat

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

I know that this post is going to ruffle some feathers, but: He has indeed done stints in jail. He has repeatedly claimed incredible strides in developing rare technology, and has seen things go awry in delivery. Petroldragon appeared totally revolutionary. The telling of this story varies grea

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Jed, i'm still waiting to know why an expert of thermodynamic, hired for checking a 2,000,000$ trade, would: 1) Mesaure the energy by measuring the liquid water condensed and then calculate the energy by the ASSUMPTION that the remaining water has been converted into a dry steam, when there are mor

Re: [Vo]:msnbc reports on Rossi's Oct 28 demo. Hagelstein is quoted.

The same article is carried by yahoo: http://news.yahoo.com/italian-cold-fusion-machine-passes-another-test-170606262.html T

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Am 03.11.2011 23:45, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: What do you think why did he invite an AP journalist who has no technical or scientific knowledge? Who told you this journalist has no technical or scientific knowledge? Did you communicate with the journalist? Where did you get

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Peter Heckert wrote: What do you think why did he invite an AP journalist who has no technical or scientific knowledge? Who told you this journalist has no technical or scientific knowledge? Did you communicate with the journalist? Where did you get this information? Please do not make asse

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Peter Heckert wrote: This is how he appears to you, and this is why he doesnt invite you. He wants to look like a crook? This is complicated reverse psychology. It could easily backfire I suppose, and have the opposite effect. I suppose he also wanted the authorities to send him to jail year

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Am 03.11.2011 23:28, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 03.11.2011 23:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: For example he is a good psychologist and he knows how to fool people. No, he is a terrible psychologist. He does not know how to fool anyone. He inspires no confidence in anyone. he give

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Am 03.11.2011 23:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: For example he is a good psychologist and he knows how to fool people. No, he is a terrible psychologist. He does not know how to fool anyone. He inspires no confidence in anyone. he gives everyone, including me, the impression t

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Peter Heckert wrote: Rossi is a magically talented engineer but because he never has proven his claims -and this would be easy if true- we must assume that he abuses his abilities to fool us. Theory of magic: It is possible to keep the water boiling if you realize that the amperemeter was no

Re: [Vo]:msnbc reports on Rossi's Oct 28 demo. Hagelstein is quoted.

This is a pretty good report. Way better than Fox News. - Jed

[Vo]:New article / Rossi quotes

Dear all, I've published part 10 of my CF column in German online magazine Telepolis. Of course it's about Rossi again: http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/35/35803/1.html People quoted: - Andrea Rossi - Jed Rothwell - Giseppe Levi - Horace Heffner - Terry Blanton Quotes from Andrea Rossi (Oct 9

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Am 03.11.2011 22:08, schrieb Jed Rothwell: He has also proved it by first principles in the Oct. 6 test. Unless you think a 30 L container of water can magically radiate heat for 4 hours and yet remain hot while you run 60 L of tap water through it. It is ridiculous that anyone would questio

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Jed, you are not answering my questions. The valve is not so much open, so the quantity of water is simply arbitrary. You cannot say 'if there was much liquid water then it will go out from the pipe'. What is interesting is: 1) Why the colonel as not installed a demister? 2) Why the colonel even a

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: Jed Rothwell:> it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket would have overflowed in no time. Mattia Rizzi: Incorrect since the valve is pratically closed. SImply you don't know. Lewan felt the lower pipe and the valve attached to it and report

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Wait -- do you mean Miley's recent work on Patterson-type cells? Nope. Gas loaded ZrPd powder. Similar to Arata. Roughly the same power density as Rossi. I've never argued that what Rossi is claiming is physically impossible. He's too clever to claim perpetual

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

>What's your point? I think it's interesting that a *secret* USA customer hired a person that has worked with Rossi. But Jed, you missed again the most interesting part of my message. It's: Jed Rothwell:> it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket would have overflowe

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: > By the way, Rossi > confirmed that he has already worked with the Colonel. Fioravanti was at the Oct. 6 demonstration. I wonder if that is what AR meant. T

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: > I hope Piantelli is like Conrad Roentgen. > He worked for years in total secrecy and silency and did not tell a word to > others. > And then he presented a scientific work and experiments that gave total > proof. > Piantelli behaves like a rea

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: > So did the colonel, and so did the document they published. I mean, Rossi and the colonel have worked toghether in the past. Yes, I know they have. They talked about it. No one disputes that they have. What's your point? Do you think that anyone who has worked with Ross

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Jed, i think you missed the most important part of my message. > So did the colonel, and so did the document they published. I mean, Rossi and the colonel have worked toghether in the past. 2011/11/3 Jed Rothwell > Mattia Rizzi wrote: > > I think that the "Colonel" was hired by Ampenergo. >> >

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Mattia Rizzi wrote: I think that the "Colonel" was hired by Ampenergo. Why would they hire someone to tell them what they already know? Rossi and Ampenergo did not use the colonel to improve their own credibility. By the way, Rossi confirmed that he has already worked with the Colonel.

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

But Rossi is selling them according to his statement. It is a shame that so much money is being wasted on the old technologies but political forces are difficult to overcome. Have you attempted to stop a steam liner alone? I think you have a better chance to do that than change Rossi's mind.

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

On 11-11-03 04:20 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-11-03 03:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said that they are certain this was dry steam. I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too. T

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

On 11-11-03 03:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said that they are certain this was dry steam. I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too. There is no doubt the Oct. 28 test produced only dry

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Am 03.11.2011 21:14, schrieb David Roberson: Having the patent granted may not be such an important goal for him at this time. The longer he waits, the further into the future it extends. This reminds me of the submarine patents that come up far into the future when the most money is made. R

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Correction: with the Colonel approach you collect *a part *of the water already condensed, since there isn't a U water trap! 2011/11/3 Mattia Rizzi > > it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket > would have overflowed in no time. > > Incorrect since the valve is pra

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

> it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with steam, that bucket would have overflowed in no time. Incorrect since the valve is pratically closed. SImply you don't know. By the way, i've readed many comments by guys that are experts of thermodynamics: nobody will use the "Colonel" approac

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Having the patent granted may not be such an important goal for him at this time. The longer he waits, the further into the future it extends. This reminds me of the submarine patents that come up far into the future when the most money is made. Rossi may be smart as a fox. Eventually it wi

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Am 03.11.2011 20:51, schrieb David Roberson: I am afraid we need an engineer instead of scientist. Engineers get the task completed in a manner that is acceptable for production, at least eventually. Think about this man at Fraunhofer (I dont remember his name) who invented MP3. He tried to ge

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

I am afraid we need an engineer instead of scientist. Engineers get the task completed in a manner that is acceptable for production, at least eventually. Why not back a proven device? The others are no even in view for us to analyze. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Heckert To

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Following up on Jed's comments: Conjecture that Rossi has been, in a sense, indirectly obfuscating some of his own results - as if to throw the bloodhounds off of his scent trail has been discussed to some extent within the Vort Collective. I suspect there is some merit to such conjecture. It's a

[Vo]:Cold Fusion News

Rossi Container found in Genoa: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/10/ff_radioactivecargo/all/1 Breakthrough in Cold Fusion - Need is the Mother of Invention: http://dailypygmy.com/?p=1378 T :-)

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

I hope Piantelli is like Conrad Roentgen. He worked for years in total secrecy and silency and did not tell a word to others. And then he presented a scientific work and experiments that gave total proof. Piantelli behaves like a real scientist until now. Lets hope for a surprise. He has annou

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

I wrote: The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said that they > are certain this was dry steam. I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too. There is no doubt the Oct. 28 test produced only dry steam. You can see the condensate collection bucket

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Exactly which test do you refer to? What was the date? Despite my use of the singular, I wasn't thinking of a single specific test; as far as I can recall, all the "steam" tests done in the spring supposedly had the same output temperature, to within a degree: 101

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Why not attempt to prove it is a scam? I suggest that you will find it is real. I prefer to have some data as supplied instead of just words as we see from Piantelli and others. Words are cheap. I saw a youtube link where some others talk about great progress. Now, let them show us a device

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan on Steam Quality

On 11-11-02 04:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Either that, or the water level fluctuated. That seems more likely to me. When it starts to rise, you increase the reaction. When it falls too far, you throttle it. This is, of course, all old stuff being reiterated here.

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Peter Heckert wrote: He must do this if he wants to do a scientific level proof of evidency. > He has said countless times that he does not care what scientists think. He is only interested in what his customers think. That is a perfectly valid set of standards. Many businessmen think that scien

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Am 03.11.2011 20:07, schrieb David Roberson: Can you show proof that it is a scam? No. Rossi knows how much scammers are out there and are competing. He often complains about all these snakes that are paid by hostile and fraudulent competition. If he wants to be different then he must show thi

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Now Peter, you need to calm down there. Maybe the piano is not such a bad idea for relaxation. Rossi has his plans and we have our desires so who do you think will get there way? He has done a lot more than most companies that keep trade secrets hidden until the actual moment of sales. We

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Am 03.11.2011 19:19, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: He must allow to connect tested and calibrated calorimetric equipment provided by an independent party to the steam output of the ecat, and allow to connect professional instruments that

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Nickel enrichment : is a liquid-phase Calutron possible?

The ion diffusion speed in an electrolyte is only some centimeters per minute at best, while the speed in a Calutron is probably some 100 to some 1000 kilometres per second. Therefore the mass inertia of the nucleus at this low speed has no effect. The electrolyte vessel must be some 1000 km l

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Nickel enrichment : is a liquid-phase Calutron possible?

I don't think that as a practical matter electroplating can work to coat the particles of a micro powder but vapor disposition will work. Furthermore, the powder can be made of bulk material, only the nanometer thick secret surface treatment needs to be heavy nickel (Ni62-64). This is not that much

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Peter Heckert wrote: He must allow to connect tested and calibrated calorimetric equipment > provided by an independent party to the steam output of the ecat, and allow > to connect professional instruments that record the electrical input power. > > Thats all. Then he must allow enough time to

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Am 03.11.2011 18:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: David Roberson mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>> wrote: I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely eliminated any optional explanation for the resu

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

David Roberson wrote: I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a > demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely > eliminated any optional explanation for the results obtained. > On the other hand, some experiments are more convincing than ot

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Yes this is correct. If the poutput energy is proven then it is still possible to doubt the amount of input energy or hidden energy sources. But I think the output energy can be proven: By heating a big amount of water or -preferably- by boiling a known amount of water in an /open/ vessel. Thi

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely eliminated any optional explanation for the results obtained. Those who accept the limited proof are convinced that the experiment was successful, whil

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

That would have been an excellent idea Peter with one exception. If the fire and police had arrived to stop the display, then there might not have been enough time to prove that the self sustaining mode had a large enough COP. It is hard to win in that situation. Cheers, Dave -Origin

Re: [Vo]:Mars Transport System

The conjecture I've heard speculates that billions of years ago. Yes... not millions... but BILLIONS of years ago, when mars was significantly younger, the atmosphere may have been a lot thicker than that it is today. More atmospheric pressure in turn would have allowed liquid water to remain on th

Re: [Vo]:Mars Transport System

> I've seen some tantalizing photographic evidence that might > just might show fossil evidence, of low life forms that had > lived in the water and mud when Mars was still a wet planet. My slight understanding is that Mars does not have a high enough gravity to retain enough air for a very s

Re: [Vo]:Mars Transport System

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:42 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > As a visual artist all I can say is never EVER underestimate the power of > personal interpretation. Personal Interpretation happens. ;-) Indeed. Well, it was just a little diversion from eCats. Say, how about another

[Vo]:Rossi Nickel enrichment : is a liquid-phase Calutron possible?

Hello everyone, My name is Berke and I'm not an electrochemist. Nor a physicist for that matter. (Just a comp. sci. guy.) That being said, I'd like to discuss this issue nonetheless. I find this subject extremely interesting. Also, congratulations for this well-kept and informative list. Some

RE: [Vo]:Mars Transport System

>From Terry, > Interesting images: > > http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2011/208/tracks-n-water. htm Interesting but totally mundane. Actually, not all that interesting, at least not to me. I'm astonished at how the author of this web site has managed to completely fabricate

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Dont ask me. Ask Rossi, ask Levi, ask Focardi, ask Passi or any other from this team. There is a very obvious answer, but it is impossible to prove, so I cannot give an answer. Also I have learned in live, the obvious answers are sometimes false and there are other surprising explanations. Pete

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Hi Peter, In every test there's been something missing. Why? Colin On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:33 PM, wrote: > Yes this is true. > It was a quick idea that I had during work and posted during work without > much consideration. > > Rossi should have released the steam into the air after the testin

Re: [Vo]:Pipe diameter October 28 - new considerations

Yes this is true. It was a quick idea that I had during work and posted during work without much consideration. Rossi should have released the steam into the air after the testing was finished. This would give 300 liter of dry steam per second but in air up in the sky it will condense and shoul