Thanks Mark
That should help quite a bit
Pete
From: zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DGT Screenshot
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:05:10 -0800
JoJo wrote:“Axil, Please, by all means keep the speculations and the
"embarrassing" experimental advice coming. I have lea
Lou:
I looked at the subject lines of the author's other papers and it seems he's
focused on ball lightning... and it may be relevant.
The other thing that comes to mind are 'charge clusters' which came out of
Ken Shoulders' and Hal Puthoff's research. Try searching for 'charge
clusters' and/or
JoJo wrote:
"Axil, Please, by all means keep the speculations and the "embarrassing"
experimental advice coming. I have learned a lot from you and many other
people here. Vortex has been the most useful forum as far as gaining
insight into replicating Rossi.
And PeterB wrote:
"I have only b
Perhaps this has already been discussed on Vortex-l, but a quick search
yielded the following paper -
"Formation of Cooper pairs in quantum oscillations of electrons in plasma"
http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.4596
- I have only briefly perused it, but if it's correct, it may point out
some connections
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Peter B wrote:
> Terry
>
> Tim Robbins ...That's him ...always helps me decide what I'm going
> to do when I think Im down for the count
>
> Decide to . fight or surrender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTv1Dmu5CYc&feature=fvst
T
Terry
Tim Robbins ...That's him ...always helps me decide what I'm going to
do when I think Im down for the count
Decide to . fight or surrender
Some things take years but its worth it
Pete
> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:09:36 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:To Sinter or No
Greetings Vortex-L:
I have a strong dislike for Magnet Motors VideosBUT...this one seems
to have gone viral 267,500+ hits --with many many likes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus&feature=player_embedded
Note: For Entertainment Purposes Only.
Ron Kita...IS it a Fake?
They are expecting great things from fusion I see. Wonder what happened to the
positive outlook that they expressed earlier?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alan J Fletcher
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 8:35 pm
Subject: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap
Fusion is on the list for Energy genera
Fusion is on the list for Energy generation ... but with a ranking of ZERO !!!
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13354&page=191
On a scale from 0 to 400
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13354&page=201
(I'm looking at the low-quality preview .. you can register to get the PDF)
(l
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:18:58 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>-Original Message-
>From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
>... this implies a negative ion, which I think means that Rossi
>subscribes to the "shrinking negative ion theory".
>
>
>Robin,
>
>... sure you did not mean to
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> The Thieving Magpie ?? Is this a meta4 Lewis ?
Lewis, Kivit and the whole production. Not to mention that it brings
to mind a Clockwork Orange, a dystopian dream.
I am now reading China Mieville's "The City & the City", which is
probably infl
The Thieving Magpie ?? Is this a meta4 Lewis ?
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Reminds me of ROSSIni's "La Gazza Ladra". :)
T
<>
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
... this implies a negative ion, which I think means that Rossi
subscribes to the "shrinking negative ion theory".
Robin,
... sure you did not mean to say the "minimal hydrino hydride theory" :-)
J.
<>
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Peter B wrote:
> Managed Danger
>
> Agreed
>
> There a great "Saying " in a movie "Shawshank Redemption" that I love .
> It had 2 main actors , Morgan Freedman and the other ..( I forget)
>
> Anyway it was ."Get busy living or get busy diei
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:33 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
wrote:
> The laundry will eventually sort itself out.
Reminds me of ROSSIni's "La Gazza Ladra". :)
T
Managed Danger
Agreed
There a great "Saying "in a movie "Shawshank Redemption" that I love . It
had 2 main actors , Morgan Freedman and the other ..( I forget)
Anyway it was ."Get busy living or get busy dieing "
Safety is a priority to me , but not dieing of regret
>From Alan:
> McKubre's response at
> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/20111210McKubreResponse.shtml
...
McKubre states:
> People sometimes question the value a "traditional" scientific
> education but this case highlights one of its clear benefits. Poor
> Steve simply does not know wha
Hi JoJo
More information , thankyou . I have only been on Vortex a few months and I
have gained much insight . There's a lot of smart people here with a wide range
of views . Im starting to learn to appreciate the critisisims more as well .
Its good to be challenged
There are a few diff
At 03:00 PM 2/1/2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Boy! What if it eventually does turn out to be a 400 by 60 meter
long "cylinder"?
My first thought was a crashed zepellin ... but Graf v Z is 236 by 30
: about half the size.
Thanks Robert
I appreciate you advice
Im in no hurry and safety is my main concern . Overall I dont build anything .
I get other proffesionals to build . I have a machinist who has worked with
enourmous pressures and gasses . Our chamber will be very small , with several
shut down features .
>From Terry,
> Probably not the MF; but, this one:
>
> "Using side-scan sonar, the team found a 60-meter diameter
> cylinder-shaped object, with a rigid tail 400 meters long."
>
> We have not seen the image. A cylinder 18 stories high by four
> football fields long? I know it's not Rama; but, th
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
wrote:
> Chewy! That's the last time I'll let you park the Falcon using the
> automatic setting!
Probably not the MF; but, this one:
"Using side-scan sonar, the team found a 60-meter diameter
cylinder-shaped object, with a rigid tail
Jojo,
I agree. There is a certain amount of risk in just getting out of bed in
the morning
On Wednesday, February 1, 2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
> Axil, Please, by all means keep the speculations and the "emabarassing"
experimental advice coming. I have learned a lot from you and many other
people
See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVj69R66Agg
This cloud chamber build seems the most convergent to me. You don’t need to
pick up any dry ice here.
When in YouTub, search on “cloud chamber” There are many how to do it
videos on this subject.
The following paper contains a picture of a proton co
>From Terry:
> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/28/world/europe/swedish-shipwreck-hunters/index.html
I've been more-or-less following this event when it first came out. I
hope they get the funding they need in order to take a closer look.
Obviously, it's fun to speculate on what this very odd shap
In reply to Ron Kita's message of Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:10:26 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Greetings Vortex:
>
>http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
>
>Great news,
>Ron Kita, Chiralex
Quote (on Rossi E-cat):-
"RADIO FREQUENCY GENERATORS -- He claims that the radio frequency generator
allows the forces that wo
Axil, Please, by all means keep the speculations and the "emabarassing"
experimental advice coming. I have learned a lot from you and many other
people here. Vortex has been the most useful forum as far as gaining insight
into replicating Rossi.
Yes, I have a gieger counter that will detect g
When protons enter a micro cavity, they rattle and dance around it for a
long, long time. All the while, the walls are vibrating…moving back and
forth in a random fashion in the protons reference frame, As they bounce of
the walls, the walls give and take energy away on each bounce. So when the
pro
Jones, while I feel the task to replicate Rossi would be very difficult, I do
not believe it is impossible. Rossi was able to get lucky so I feel my chances
are good given the quality of the people in this collective. And given that we
have already narrrowed down many of the factors, like powd
So, two 60 meters or so objects with drag marks some 200m aparts ... weird.
The team said they'll be back on the site in may, looking for investors (lol),
and they might bring tourists too.
Who wants to go diving ?
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/ht_bactic_sonar_mystery_thg_120130_wg.jpg
I am sorely tempted to give experimental advice even though I have no right
to. So let me succumb.
I would not do this stuff myself out of fear of bodily harm.
In the beginning of your experimentation, I would keep it as simple as
possible.
IMHO, the excess heat detection route is not the e
McKubre's response at
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/McKubreM4/20111210McKubreResponse.shtml :
People sometimes question the value a "traditional" scientific
education but this case highlights one of its clear benefits. Poor
Steve simply does not know what he does not
know. ... Interpreta
I agree with Günter here, with one proviso. If you very clever to start out
with, do your homework perfectly, take adequate precautions and have lots of
Lab experience - then you might get lucky even on a low budget, if everything
were to go perfectly. In retrospect, once all is known, this will
Von: Jojo Jaro
An: Vortex-l
Gesendet: 20:52 Mittwoch, 1.Februar 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Sinter or Not to Sinter
...Before long, I have no
doubts I will need a glove box, and industrial microwave, some custom RF
equipment and...
Jojo,
I myself am inv
New E-Cat
Terminology
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-e-cat-terminology.html
This time Passi lets us know he's JOKING :
I share with readers of all 22 steps, to joke a little 'minds and
refreshing the hottest, the written text of a funny email from a friend
last week.
PS And please, s
Yes, an investment of 100K is possible. I've actually budgeted 2 Million for
this endeavor, although at this stage, I am starting with very cheap and simple
reactor and calorimeter designs. I am only spending a few hundred right now.
Before long, I have no doubts I will need a glove box, an
Sorry, Ron but is this Pd-D or Ni-H, aqueous
or vapor phas, at what power level?
I don't find any relevant information by simple fast search.
Thank you for any data
Peter
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ron Kita wrote:
> Greetings Vortex:
>
> http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
>
> Great news,
er, I have a bad feeling about this...
within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> No pictures of the demonstration?
>
> harry
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ron Kita wrote:
>> Greetings Vortex:
>>
>> http://world.std.com/~mi
Von: Jojo Jaro
An: Vortex-l
Gesendet: 19:17 Mittwoch, 1.Februar 2012
Betreff: [Vo]:To Sinter or Not to Sinter
With all the floating theories on how Rossi Cold
Fusion works, do we have a consensus ..
---
Thanks Axil,
What do you think of my recipe below:
I plan to heat Ni powder to say 300-400C (below curie point) in open air to
allow creation of Nickel Oxides. Also heat some copper powder and some iron
powder in open air for the same purpose. Mix about 7% copper and 3% iron
powder with Ni
The one big disadvantage of using the reactor walls is in replacing the
embedded powder. When the powder is spent, the whole core must be
discarded...not competitive.
On the other hand, nano-powder may be too tiny to allow surface phonons to
propagate correctly (however that might work). Nano powd
I do have some design ideas to ask the collective about.
What if:
We had a standing reactor vessel with a heater at the bottom, that is
not cooled in any way so it does get red hot quickly.
fill the vessel with h2 and a pile of nano nickel on the bottom and
fire up the heater, in my mind , thi
YW!
-mark
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Name that tune
Thanks Mark! This is excellent information that I missed since I joined to
group much later.
Dave
-Original Message--
With all the floating theories on how Rossi Cold Fusion works, do we have a
consensus on whether the Ni powder needs to be attached to the reactor walls?
or free floating inside the reactor?
There are very good reasons for either strategy. I have read all the comments
on this collective on this
Vortex:
By coincidence I will be in Chicago on the 11th and in the "Spirit" of the
year of "Cold Fusion" :) I thought I would go see the film. Anyone from the
Vortex planning to attend the event. Just Curious.
Ransom
http://www.137films.org/NewsDetailPage/Work-in-progress-screening.
"The
Thanks Mark! This is excellent information that I missed since I joined to
group much later.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:23 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Name that tune
David:
Who knows what Rossi is using for the heating ele
I have a great deal of confidence in DGT and their products. I think you must
have misunderstood my statement if you believe that I hold them with any
serious suspicion. Also no one would say that I am hostile toward themin
fact I am extremely happy that they offer an alternative to the E
No pictures of the demonstration?
harry
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ron Kita wrote:
> Greetings Vortex:
>
> http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
>
> Great news,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but DGT have never claimed the long runs of Rossi
> where there are 4-6 hours of high heat with no input (other than 50 watts
> RF). Or have they?
To my knowledge, they have never claimed to run at all without input
2012/2/1 Jones Beene
> ... and we have seen indications in other images of the
> purported controller (Arduino box)
>
Cool, so they use Arduino ! an open platform for micro-controller... good
choice.
good tools, open, cheap, multi-source, and enough for the job.
ahh I regret to have a good inte
Robert Lynn wrote:
A cheap thermocouple with error of 1-2°C is OK for an amateur
experiment measuring reactor temperatures that are in the range
4-700°C . . .
Many professional HVAC engineers use K-Type thermocouples. They are not
only for amateurs.
- Jed
I my previous job as a IC engine development engineer we used platinum RTDs
(also called PRTs) for most water and air temperatures (<200°C), but
thermocouples for all exhaust temperatures (>500°C) where errors of 1-2°C
don't really matter.
While platinum RTDs are best, they are several times the p
Especially since the implication of this is that the "triggering" is via
resistance heating (what else could it be operating at 24 VDC?) ... and
consequently the purpose of the variac is to vary the temperature manually
via voltage into an AC/DC converter (diode and filters) instead of
automaticall
This is bad practice ! (and it is not a small point). Often "thermocouple"
is used generically.
Thermocouples are NOT adequate for this kind of measurement, in the long
term. They are cheaper but degrade too easily.
For reliable measurement of hydrogen at higher temps - you should use RTDs.
Widom - Larsen advocate, Steven Krivit, recently published three articles,
two of which were either authored by Lewis Larsen, or contained references
to Larsen's theory. The third article is an index compiled by Krivit
pertaining to his on-going attempt to undermine the legitimacy of McKubre's
"M4"
be careful with the effect of hydrogen on any metal (make hydrides, make
brittle, leaks and then self-ignite- H can burns a µg/min according to
wikipedia, check airliquide.com for safety of H2...)
maybe (I have no clue) H2 can transform the characteristics of a
thermocouple, especially at high hea
ok, thanks.
about other problems with the assumptions, I cited an official critic by a
phisicist on the assumptions...
maybe you already are reading it.
2012/2/1 Gigi DiMarco
> I succeded in fixing the issue during the night, while sleeping...
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:
> "The question illuminates, not the answer" (Eugene Ionesco)
> Why you are not asking on the DGT forum?
I did and they responded:
"The reactor tested during such shots was equipped with a triggering
mechanism, as it appears in our spec sheet.
Greetings Vortex:
http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
Great news,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
2000-6000psi hydrogen is pretty dangerous, be very careful about your
design and setup, make sure all your valves seals and fittings are able to
withstand those pressures, keep those valves, seals and fittings away from
high temperatures, and try to keep reactor vessel volume small.
I believe Ross
Pete, you're welcome.
I'm using this same heating element in my disposable reactor. I'm attempting
replication of Rossi, not Phen\Chan which I think may be a red herring.
Something just does not smell right to me about Chan\Phen's method. I suspect
Chan\Phen may have ignited the propane in h
JoJo Thankyou for helping , it might just do the trick
I have a young electrical engineer helping me out once a week , he is
concerned the element it self may not handle the pressures building up in the
chamber
In our intended experiments we are going to do 2 main types
1. Phen\
David:
Who knows what Rossi is using for the heating elements! J Things change on a
weekly basis with him…
IIRC, earlier last year, Rossi said they used a “Programmable Lighting
Controller”… PLC. However, that acronym has different meanings; to most in the
USA, PLC stands for “Programmabl
Dear all,
I succeded in fixing the issue during the night, while sleeping...
>From the point of view of congruence of figures, a term is missing in Eq.
(23), that is the inverse of 4*pi*epsilon-zero (the dielectric constant).
In you put this term, then the figure in Eq.(25) turns out to be exact.
You see that they have answered promptly.
Are you contented with the answer?
In my opinion it is not justified and not reasonable to treat these
gentlemen with suspicion and/or hostility, why should they pay for Rossi's
disastruous PR methods?
Peter
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:35 AM, David Roberson
Peter, How about this cheap heating element. Fits inside a 1/4" copper tube
perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350505999493?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D350505999493%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
Jojo
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