Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 2015 21:05:01 -0400: Hi David, [snip] >Robin, > >I think we are on the same frequency in this quest. It appears that any non >linear process that can be coaxed into converting the kinetic energy due to >thermal motion into potential energy of

RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

2015-09-25 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
AndyTheGrump? BLP has it in for Grump as well. They filed a law suit against him and others. http://www.williamslopatto.com/uploads/2/5/8/4/25843913/blacklight_power_inc._complaint.pdf Have no idea if BLP's complaint has managed to get any traction or not. I suspect it's gone

Re: [Vo]:How Rossi's test may not be definitive

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > My expectation is that the report on the megawatt box, if it actually is a > complete study which can be independently verified - will severely > disappoint most of Rossi’s fan base. More likely it will be severely > edited, data-free, unverified and

Re: [Vo]:How Rossi's test may not be definitive

2015-09-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote: More likely it will be severely edited, data-free, unverified and almost > meaningless. I think we'd be foolish to bet otherwise. (Still interested in learning more about the brushed-up details.) Eric

[Vo]:How Rossi's test may not be definitive

2015-09-25 Thread Jack Cole
Recently, I was thinking about how Rossi's industrial test could turn out to be problematic in the end. Consider the following scenario: the plant of the customer used conventional heating elements to heat their water before, but their pipes in their boiler system were not as well insulated as in

[Vo]:GLOBAL RESARCH PLAN FOR LENR (II)

2015-09-25 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/09/sep-25-2015-sketch-of-global-research.html We will continue with discussing details and specifics, your ideas are welcome! Thanks! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
Jones, Hopefully more information will become available concerning this effect in the future. I agree that it is becoming possible to place very large numbers of devices of this small size on a chip that might make the effect very visible and useful. I would assume that with the cooling

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread MJ
So, if the problem was the software, why they didn't fix it? Mark Jordan On 25-Sep-15 16:29, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is somewhat off-topic but . . . I have had trouble understanding the news reports about the Volkswagen scandal. I have not found a clear technical description of

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
I agree with you David. However, one cannot make laws / rules that are violating what is practical if one is not prepared to pay the price. Maybe this problem is only related to diesel motors but if not I can almost guarantee that other manufacturers have similar systems in place. We will soon

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > > However, one cannot make laws / rules that are violating what is practical > if one is not prepared to pay the price. > The people who draft these rules are industry experts, recruited from the leading companies. In the U.S., regulatory agencies

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
Jed, you mention Mr. Parnell and his case. I hope and believe that he did not think that the peanut butter he was producing would lead to any deaths. I suspect that he was of the opinion that this sort of issue has been around for many years and did not reflect any significant danger to the

RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, This is not exactly a Maxwell’s demon, since there is no discretionary filtering. I like your suggestion about thermal peaks being involved and there is undoubtedly some kind of resonance. The LED was notably in the IR range to begin with. Possibly the Boltzmann tail of the thermal

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
MJ wrote: > So, if the problem was the software, why they didn't fix it? > The problem is not software. Software was used to cover up the problem. The problem is that when they run the motor in a mode that reduces NOx to levels allowed by the U.S. regulations, fuel

[Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is somewhat off-topic but . . . I have had trouble understanding the news reports about the Volkswagen scandal. I have not found a clear technical description of what happened. I think the reporters do not understand. The gist of it is that when someone plugs a computer into the automobile

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Axil Axil
The EPA test was detected by the VW if the rear wheels weren't spinning. A while back, Cadillac did the same thing but used a open hood as a indicator that a EPA test was underway. On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > This is somewhat off-topic but . . .

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
Thanks Jones, Has the LED effect been replicated? If so, this would clearly indicate a violation of the assumed thermodynamic laws. One violation opens the door for others in my estimate. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
This discussion is interesting. Perhaps the existing thermodynamic laws apply mainly to black body types of interactions when radiation is associated. Clearly the light emitted by an LED is not of that nature. It is narrow band radiation at a level that is much higher in these bands than

Re: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

2015-09-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
I agree with you Steven, not much will happen before it can be proven BLP has a product. However, to me it is really sad that BLP need to go to court to resolve this type of issues. IMHO there is no upside for either party regardless of the outcome. The only guys laughing all the way to the bank

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
This type of deception makes me angry. Also, how stupid are they to assume that this will not be uncovered? All of those guys in management associated with this decision should be terminated. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:GLOBAL RESARCH PLAN FOR LENR (II)

2015-09-25 Thread Axil Axil
Reference: “WHAT TO NOT DO IN LENR DESIGN a) Piantelli: To invest any hopes in the domain below Debye temperature for any metal'” Besides nickel(450K), the other group 10 elements: palladium(274K) and platinum(240K) have a Debye temperature below the freezing point of water. Gold(165K) and

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
Please Jed, you think it was intentional and that the guy did not care if his product would kill people. Then I guess the problem is all solved. No more company will provide peanuts which are a risk to eat. I have not followed the case as detailed as you have. However, if he did the things you say

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed you are the eternal defender of regulations. No, it is not with consent. > Everyone with knowledge of industry and the history of commerce is a defender of regulations. Go back and read how things were before there were modern regulations, or go

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:40:33 -0400: Hi Dave, [snip] >This discussion is interesting. Perhaps the existing thermodynamic laws apply >mainly to black body types of interactions when radiation is associated. >Clearly the light emitted by an LED is not of

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jed you are the eternal defender of regulations. No, it is not with consent. Yes, they work for putting high entry cost to a market. The biggest entities often become part of an initial agreement and then the law is a fact and various parties now negotiate exceptions and some of them not so

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jed, I have been in those countries. Yes, the mortality rate from misc. things are higher than in the US. The factors are not to be found in the regulations. It is mostly other factors. Often third world countries adopt US or European regulations. The possibilities to avoid the legislation is by

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: > I hope and believe that he did not think that the peanut butter he was > producing would lead to any deaths. Perhaps he hoped it wouldn't lead to deaths. That would be stupid because he knew the peanuts were contaminated with salmonella, and anyone

RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

2015-09-25 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Lennart, > ... However, to me it is really sad that BLP need to go to court > to resolve this type of issues. IMHO there is no upside for either > party regardless of the outcome. Indeed. IMO, there is really only one definitive way to settle the matter. Build a working prototype

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
*** The ones that are equally dangerous, such as the recent batch of cucumbers, have also sickened or killed people. "Every year, Salmonella is estimated to cause one million illnesses in the United States, with 19,000 hospitalizations and 380 deaths." http://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/

[Vo]:Article: These Incredible Saltwater Batteries Are Designed To Store Renewable Energy

2015-09-25 Thread Jack Cole
Now we can clean power even when the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing. If we're going use renewable power in a big way, we're going to need better battery storage. Because solar and wind are intermittent sources of energy, they need to be backed up for when they're not there, because,

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread David Roberson
Robin, I think we are on the same frequency in this quest. It appears that any non linear process that can be coaxed into converting the kinetic energy due to thermal motion into potential energy of some type will achieve the goal. The second law must be based upon linear behavior of gasses,

Re: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Indeed. IMO, there is really only one definitive way to settle the matter. > Build a working prototype proving OU is occurring. Filing a law suit to go > after Grump and his cohorts accomplishes diddly squat . . . > Yes, this

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Some other info: A lab at West Virginia U. found the problem, working with a $50,000 grant. They have also tested a BMI, which was fine. That confirmed their method is correct. See: http://www.npr.org/2015/09/24/443053672/how-a-little-lab-in-west-virginia-caught-volkswagens-big-cheat The excess

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

2015-09-25 Thread Mark Goldes
David, Robin, all, You may find SECOND LAW SURPRISES under MORE at aesopinstitute.org of interest. Mark Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM, David Roberson wrote: >

[Vo]:coding error

2015-09-25 Thread a.ashfield
I am getting this message following Blaze Spinnaker's second post and later ones "Content Encoding Error The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem."

RE: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

2015-09-25 Thread a.ashfield
I can't see most of the comments because I get a message that there is a coding error. Good luck getting Wiki to change their write up on cold fusion. I got banned from there for arguing with editor AndyTheGrump, who was obviously biased and wrong.

Re: [Vo]:RE: The megafarad capacitor

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > ...I think we have been here before. You can just carry water in the > vehicle, > and electrolyze it in situ, a minute quantity at a time, as required. > There need > be no stored gas, and no danger. > Mizuno and others who know a lot about hydrogen tell me that

Re: [Vo]:RE: The megafarad capacitor

2015-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > > >right. In other words, the overhead is small; 1 MJ of electricity produces > >enough hydrogen to generate 5e13 MJ of heat. > > > I think you have dropped about 7 orders of magnitude. ;) I wouldn't put it past me. I think I was looking at the numbers for D+D

RE: [Vo]:How Rossi's test may not be definitive

2015-09-25 Thread Jones Beene
Jack, It could be more problematic than that. If the customer was using electricity for heating, that means that natural gas is unavailable. This is true in Miami and much of south Florida – little access to natural gas. Thus “the customer” could be already paying three times more for