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I think CIHT is for "Catalyst Induced Hydrino Transition". http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-243402945.html Being slightly dislexic I'll have to watch out for exchanging the "i" and the "h", since I pronounce it with a soft "c". 8^) On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

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At 10:34 AM 9/16/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > From: Jones Beene [ mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column? You mean a greek geek gossip column! For Defkalion, it's a piqued greek geek gossip column!

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> From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column? You mean a greek geek gossip column! -M

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Oops - my mistake . Should have been "Dear Daniele" blog http://22passi.blogspot.com/ From: Daniel Rocha Well, I am used to read computer news, so a little bit of Rossi-mania is good for a change. Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column? ("D

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Well, I am used to read computer news, so a little bit of Rossi-mania is good for a change. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jones Beene Date: 2011/9/16 Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek g

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On 11-09-16 12:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column? ("Dear Daniel":) The bogosity level hovering around the E-Cat is already so extreme that further speculation pushes into the realm of Sci-Fi ... after all, I am just re-interpretin

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Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column? ("Dear Daniel":) The bogosity level hovering around the E-Cat is already so extreme that further speculation pushes into the realm of Sci-Fi ... after all, I am just re-interpreting a few published News stories already out t

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Nice to see you back in the sand box, Jones. I wuz beginning to get concerned that you may have been abducted by aliens... perhaps for "consultation" purposes concerning your legal expertise on human affairs. Rumor has it that the Pleiadians and Zeta Reticulians are sparing over the possession righ

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On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Jones, you're such a teez! :-) -M I'll second that! 8^) Tell us more Jones! -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Horace Too bad the money that went into Solyndra didn't go into nano- capaci

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Jones, you're such a teez! :-) -M -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Horace > Too bad the money that went into Solyndra didn't go into nano- > capacitors. Energy storage is the key stumbling block now for > EVs and renewable energy projects. I predict t

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Horace > Too bad the money that went into Solyndra didn't go into nano- capacitors. Energy storage is the key stumbling block now for EVs and renewable energy projects. I predict that this factory will be back in operation in 6 months. It is a fabulous facility but with the wrong product i

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From: Colin Hercus * Funny that this module should produce 20Kw if it's part of a 1MW reactor and if it was then how much back pressure would that little steam orifice generate and how much energy would the system lose as steam squeezes out that orifice. There's so much unexplained and so m

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Mmm.. So you think if they'd used a smaller orifice and changed nothing else the power would have jumped to 27KW? On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Colin wrote: « Funny that this module should produce 20Kw if it's part of a > 1MW reactor and if it was then how much back pr

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Colin wrote: « Funny that this module should produce 20Kw if it's part of a 1MW reactor and if it was then how much back pressure would that little steam orifice generate and how much energy would the system lose as steam squeezes out that orifice. » Rossi has said that his megawatt plant will pro

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rate I would be convinced. From: colinher...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:00:25 +0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Hi Finlay, I mean if you take temperature of two chambers to be 130C at time power is turned off, and allow cold water to flow in at 11l/h

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Hi Jed, But Mats did not measure steam during that 35 mins and if heat loss was just the cold water in and hot out then the temp would decrease quite slowly. Note we have at least 23kg of hot water and only 11kg/hr in. so 17% change of water in 30 minutes. Input temp is 29C and if we allow another

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s and outputs to the device during its operation. > > 5 minutes with a text book will convince anyone with half a brain that what > you describe is more improbable than cold fusion itself! Please do everyone > here a favor and give a rigorous explanation of how "thermal inertia&qu

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On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 15.09.2011 21:48, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 14.09.2011 22:31, schrieb Horace Heffner: Sticking the one and only output measuring thermometer down inside the device is still as useles

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h cases cold water is imput at the same rate and temperature so why should there be a difference? - Original Message - From: Finlay MacNab To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Excellent observation! If this was a cl

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Am 15.09.2011 21:48, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 14.09.2011 22:31, schrieb Horace Heffner: Sticking the one and only output measuring thermometer down inside the device is still as useless as ever for calorimetry purposes. It likely is dire

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On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 14.09.2011 22:31, schrieb Horace Heffner: Sticking the one and only output measuring thermometer down inside the device is still as useless as ever for calorimetry purposes. It likely is directly heated by its metal surroundings. The

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It would have been nice to see two identical E-Cats, one is chosen at random and charged with hydrogen, the other not... and power is added to both units the same way. If the "active" one is clearly spewing more heat and steam, anomalous heat would be assured. Lets imagine that the next test shows

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Colin Hercus wrote: > Of all the demos reported this new one is the least convincing and is a > major disappointment. > I tend to agree, because power input was high and they did not measure total enthalpy. However, the last 35 min. with no input power redeemed the test. I do not think there is

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so why should there be a difference? ----- Original Message - From: Finlay MacNab To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Excellent observation! If this was a closed system with no FLOWING W

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Am 14.09.2011 22:31, schrieb Horace Heffner: Sticking the one and only output measuring thermometer down inside the device is still as useless as ever for calorimetry purposes. It likely is directly heated by its metal surroundings. The water pulsing out of the device is clearly not 130°C.

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close enough for me to the 2600W input. - Original Message - From: Finlay MacNab To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Excellent observation! If this was a closed system with no FLOWING WATER EXITING

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s > this simple picture but its far from certain that you've established that > through proof or equations. For instance in both cases cold water is imput > at the same rate and temperature so why should there be a difference? > > - Original Message - > *From:* Finlay Ma

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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Excellent observation! If this was a closed system with no FLOWING WATER EXITING THE SYSTEM you would have a point. As it is you have only discredited your argument about therm

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Its a first principle. - Original Message - From: Finlay MacNab To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Excellent observation! If this was a closed system with no FLOWING WATER EXITING THE SYSTEM you

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after power-off. - Original Message - From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik JC stated: “(and note that this takes considerable time in the ramp up)”

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If the input water is municipal water, then it contains minerals, which will deposit out as boiler scale within the device, changing its temperature flow characteristics and internal geometry -- for instance, partially blocking and thus constricting the smallest outlet diameter, increasing the resi

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Joe Catania wrote: > If you want the response from Sun Tzu study it yourself. I have read the Art of War three times in my career of three decades and learned much each time. Regarding SVJ's "ken", his art is his self awareness and his objectivity. His Art is im

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ubject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik If you want the response from Sun Tzu study it yourself. If you have nothing to say why refer me to Sun Tzu. Are you saying he does have something to say? - Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011

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If you want the response from Sun Tzu study it yourself. If you have nothing to say why refer me to Sun Tzu. Are you saying he does have something to say? - Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-c

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ubject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik From Catania: For once? I only been saying that one thing- many times. But you'd better understand that from first principles not from a typo. From: Jed Rothwell Okay, that's probably a typo, as shown in the video. For once Catania is correct

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:11 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > The implication I derive from Mr. Catania's response is > that he does not often seem to consider the possibility that his own > crafted assessments might occasionally be prone to similar mistakes. It does seem to imply that

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>From Catania: > For once? I only been saying that one thing- many times. But you'd better > understand that from first principles not from a typo. > >> From: Jed Rothwell >> Okay, that's probably a typo, as shown in the video. For once >> Catania is correct. The temperature did not drop suddenly

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They probably go from 80 to 100% in going from 8 to 9. So its obvious that thermal inertia would take it out about 2hrs. - Original Message - From: "Alan J Fletcher" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik At 01:55 PM 9/14/

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On 2011-09-14 23:18, Jed Rothwell wrote: Lewan wrote that PLC/9 is full cycle. Also, that is a single digit decimal display. It don't go any higher than 9. Nine is it. Back in the day it would have gone all hexadecimal on you: "9, A, B, C, D, E, F." The programmers would smile knowingly and the c

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Wrong, nothing like that mass is necessary. - Original Message - From: "Jouni Valkonen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik 2011/9/14 Jed Rothwell : OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell repli

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Well, at a setting of 9 you have the same temp rise in 35 minutes as temperature fall in 35 minutes after power-off. - Original Message - From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik

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On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/9/14 Horace Heffner : I have to wonder if anyone associated with Rossi ever going to actually do calorimetry on the output? I will do it soon. Actually I am right now writing it. There are plenty of ways to do calorimetry. Not all ways

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For once? I only been saying that one thing- many times. But you'd better understand that from first principles not from a typo. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat ne

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Alan J Fletcher wrote: Lewan did report that at setting "5" the "ON" and "OFF" times were equal. > So taking the duty cycle as PLC/9 is about as good as we can guess. > Lewan wrote that PLC/9 is full cycle. Also, that is a single digit decimal display. It don't go any higher than 9. Nine is it.

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At 01:55 PM 9/14/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: We know that the ‘Setting’ is referring to the duty cycle, but we do not know exactly what the relationship is… since 9 is the MAXimum setting, and Lewan states ‘power was at this point constantly switched on’, then a setting of ‘9’ is pres

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At 09:52 AM 9/14/2011, Rich Murray wrote: Richard M.  <  Any relation, I wonder? September 14th, 2011 at 3:33 AM Dear Mr. Andrea Rossi, If you could spare a bit of time, I have a few questions. 1)Could you please inform us as to the reactor core volume of the new E-Cat modules?

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2011/9/14 Jed Rothwell : > OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > >> >> Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original comment by posting >> thermal measurements that apparently reveal the interesting fact that >> thermal inertia had already been taken into account when the temperature >> initia

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conclusions can be made during this ramp-up phase. -Mark From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik I think it caused a rise. There is no rise. Its your imagination. The tempe

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2011/9/14 Horace Heffner : > I have to wonder if anyone associated with Rossi ever > going to actually do calorimetry on the output? I will do it soon. Actually I am right now writing it. There are plenty of ways to do calorimetry. Not all ways are written in the engineer's manual. > Sticking the

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OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > wrote: Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original comment by posting thermal measurements that apparently reveal the interesting fact that thermal inertia had already been taken into account when the temperature in

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On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: See the E-cat run in self-sustained mode http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece [snip] This video also disproofs "wet steam hypothesis" as steam and hot water are clearly separated. There is definitely not Abd's

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They admit themselves that steam quality could be as low as 59%. The pressure in the E-Cat is probably near atmospheric. - Original Message - From: "Jouni Valkonen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik 2011/9/14 Alan

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mo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Am 14.09.2011 08:55, schrieb Peter Gluck: a) See the E-cat run in the self sustaining mode http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece Here my Analysis: At the

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inertia regime over and the CF regime to have begun. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell

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2011/9/14 Alan J Fletcher : > > 50% fluid water  2.5% drops 47.5% vapour > This must be noted that these estimations are when temperature was ca. 118 °C or 90 kPa overpressure. After that temperature rose to 133°C and overpressure to 170 kPa. Therefore 60-80% of water was evaporated and E-Cat did

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Am 14.09.2011 08:55, schrieb Peter Gluck: a) See the E-cat run in the self sustaining mode http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece Here my Analysis: At the end, when the water input valve is opened, then a mixture out of water and steam comes out with remarkab

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Hello again, Mr. Catania, I realize I'm just as guilty of using this term as you, but IMO the continued use of the phrase, "thermal inertia" to explain the interesting thermal temperature changes tends to confuse the issue more than it helps. Technically speaking, what's happening here has little

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OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original comment by posting thermal > measurements that apparently reveal the interesting fact that thermal > inertia had already been taken into account when the temperature initially > dropped from 131.9 C down to 1

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y, September 14, 2011 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Mr. Catania, What I found interesting about latest reply was the fact that you did nothing more than restate your previous comment, basically that the effects of thermal inertia in the recorded measurements have not bee

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Mr. Catania, What I found interesting about latest reply was the fact that you did nothing more than restate your previous comment, basically that the effects of thermal inertia in the recorded measurements have not been accounted for. Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original comment by po

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At 05:00 AM 9/14/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: These test results are indeed difficult to explain. And (regrettably) incomplete. We know that the power to the resistor was being cycled on and  off, but not the actual duty ratio! Water came out -- but we don't know its temperature. I have one quest

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Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Any mass has a certain gradient described in temp/time for thermal gain or loss. I think Jed was specifying the period where the temperature rebounded higher than it existed while being heated by input power. That seems anomalous to me

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Amazing persistence with consistence by Rossi and unskilled observers, as yet again a flawed demo that provides partial and inadequate evidence and information for settling the issue of whether there is indeed any excess heat or other anomalies... Naturally, a pragmatic skeptic will consider how t

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ed or growing perpendicular whiskers] Fran From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik A) You're a fool to tell me that the E-Cat has no thermal inertia. It certainly doe

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esday, September 14, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Joe Catania wrote: The E-Cat ran for 35 minutes without electrical power? Did anyone tell you that the thermal inertia will run the E-Cat for that long? At 22:35 input electric power was 2.5 kW. All electric powe

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Joe Catania wrote: The E-Cat ran for 35 minutes without electrical power? Did anyone tell you > that the thermal inertia will run the E-Cat for that long? At 22:35 input electric power was 2.5 kW. All electric power was cut off at this time. The temperature dropped from 131.9°C down to 123.0°C,

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The E-Cat ran for 35 minutes without electrical power? Did anyone tell you that the thermal inertia will run the E-Cat for that long? - Original Message - From: "Jouni Valkonen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik See

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See the E-cat run in self-sustained mode http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece This video confirms my previous assumption above, that new E-Cat is operating approximately 170 kPa overpressure. Also it confirms that roughly 5 kW excess heat was produced. I have not y

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ly thermal inertia to CF in so many words! - Original Message - From: "Man on Bridges" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik Hi, On 14-9-2011 15:05, Joe Catania wrote: I have to laugh at the hydrogen weight measure

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Hi, On 14-9-2011 15:05, Joe Catania wrote: I have to laugh at the hydrogen weight measurement in the Nyteknik Preliminary Report. The report a 2.7 gram drop in weight after filling with hydrogen. But an average air molecule weighs about 28 whereas hydrogen at 60 bar weighs 120 so you should se

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whereas hydrogen at 60 bar weighs 120 so you should see a gain. - Original Message - From: "Jouni Valkonen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik These test results are indeed difficult to explain. I have one question to

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Peter Heckert wrote: > Can this be? The Hydrogen bottle lost 25 bar of pressure and about 42 grams > of hydrogen between April and September. > Does this make sense? > How much H2 is typically inside the bottle? It is probably leaking a little. I have not seen the hardware, but based on Rossi'

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Hi, On 14-9-2011 12:05, Peter Heckert wrote: Can this be? The Hydrogen bottle lost 25 bar of pressure and about 42 grams of hydrogen between April and September. Does this make sense? Well the following table is what the conditions might have been of the bottle; Presumed the contents of the

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These test results are indeed difficult to explain. I have one question to those who have some or partial expert knowledge on steam engineering: Does they use superheated steam or steam that is at boiling point of local pressure? My guess is latter of course. However, I cannot explain 130°C temper

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Bologna April 19, 2011 Weight hydrogen bottle (attached, opened, closed, and detached): - before: 13653.1 grams - after: 13652.6 grams Total loaded: 0.5 grams Pressure H2 Bottle: 85 bar Reduced: 25 bar Bologna April 28, 2011 Weight hydrogen bottle (attached, opened, closed, and detached): - be

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Dear Horace, Yes our points of view are quite similar. These 2 tests can be characterized as partially aborted, unfortunately.Or as an other disfunctionality starting with "early" DOING AND NOT DOING in the same time, is the house's specialty. Engineers are taught "If you do something, do it well

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In my opinion steam enthalpy is both necessary and sufficient. This is an industrial test not a scientific one. The question is if these two new surprisingly short tests are more reliable and convincing than the former 7 ones. "to generate heat" and "to be a new energy source" are not identical. P

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a) See the E-cat run in the self sustaining mode http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece b) Here is Rossi' s 1 Megawatt plant: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264361.ece Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.