RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

PDF was too large, so go get U.S. Patent No. 0119825, McFarland. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT Terry - Not sure I follow. Are you saying that "vi

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

My first statement is only correct if the putative cooler is an active cooling system. By that I mean it is behaving like the diode equivalent of a heat pump. A heat pump requires an external input of energy that is equal to or greater than the heat transferred out of the system. In this system the

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Terry - Not sure I follow. Are you saying that "virtual inertia" comes from > being undisturbed for a time? Please elaborate. I was thinking of an inverse of the Aspden Effect, ie if the aether is left undisturbed for some amount of time a sor

RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

Terry - Not sure I follow. Are you saying that "virtual inertia" comes from being undisturbed for a time? Please elaborate. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > [why should "undisturbed" matter? Does making a connection to ZPE require > some kind of local stability?] Jones, Maybe

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > [why should "undisturbed" matter? Does making a connection to ZPE require > some kind of local stability?] Jones, Maybe this is somehow related to the Aspden Effect? http://www.haroldaspden.com/ T

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

-Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT The diode is working as a cooler. 2012/2/28 Harry Veeder According to the second law you can only get a system to do "work" if parts of the system are at

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

That's right. The 2nd law is not valid for very simple systems or open systems, which is the case above. 2012/2/28 Nigel Dyer > The paper says that it is working at a temperature of 135 C, which is > relatively elevated. > > I agree that this does violate the second law, in that it is doing work

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

The paper says that it is working at a temperature of 135 C, which is relatively elevated. I agree that this does violate the second law, in that it is doing work but there is not a heat source and sink. However, as my son, who knows more about physics than I do says, the second law is not so

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

If it is a cooler, it appears to violate the first law. If it is an energy converter, it appears to violate the second law. I guess the question is: what is it? Harry On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > The diode is working as a cooler. > > 2012/2/28 Harry Veeder >> >> Ac

RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

On the CoE "balance sheet" - we have light emission, which can be converted into watts equivalent. If the electrical input were to be 60% of that value, and the rest is assumed (correctly) to come from ambient heat, then there is no CoE violation. This would be ultra high efficiency in the sam

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

ieldi...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:21 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT > > ** ** > > Why do you think it would violate the 2nd law? I don't understand. > > 2012/2/28 Harry Veeder > > On Tue, Feb

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

If the material > is not very conductive, one can have a large E-field with miniscule current > flow… thus, very little ELECTRICAL power use. > > > > -Mark > > > > From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:21 AM > To:

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

The diode is working as a cooler. 2012/2/28 Harry Veeder > According to the second law you can only get a system to do "work" if > parts of the system are at different temperatures. In this situation > the system is a diode and it does work by converting heat into light. > It is hard to tell fr

RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

The key wording is here: "A heated semiconductor light-emitting diode at low forward bias voltage Vmailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT Why do you think it would violate the 2nd law? I

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

According to the second law you can only get a system to do "work" if parts of the system are at different temperatures. In this situation the system is a diode and it does work by converting heat into light. It is hard to tell from the description, but I am guessing the entire diode is at an ele

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

Why do you think it would violate the 2nd law? I don't understand. 2012/2/28 Harry Veeder > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Daniel Rocha > wrote: > > Pay attention at this: > > > > " Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior > > continues beyond the conventional limit

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

I don't think it is a matter of protecting position because of crazy claims. What they did was not unusual in the sense that there is no surplus of energy, but more efficiency then expected. 2012/2/28 Jones Beene > From: Daniel Rocha > >Pay attention at this: > >"

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Pay attention at this: > > " Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior > continues beyond the conventional limit of unity electrical-to-optical power > conversion efficiency." > > It is above the conventional, not tha

RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

From: Daniel Rocha Pay attention at this: " Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior continues beyond the conventional limit of unity electrical-to-optical power conversion efficiency." It

Re: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT

Pay attention at this: " Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior continues beyond the conventional limit of unity electrical-to-optical power conversion efficiency." It is above the conventional, not that it produces energy out of nothing. This is just a way of saying t

[Vo]:Over unity at MIT

Did you ever think you would hear MIT bragging about overunity? Thermoelectrically Pumped Light-Emitting Diodes Operating above Unity Efficiency Parthiban Santhanam, Dodd Joseph Gray, Jr., and Rajeev J. Ram