Peter, Jed and others--
It would seem the only PHOSITA that was required by the agreement was for the
low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has indicated he taught the IH engineers what was
necessary to operate the E-Cat, probably up to a COP of 6. That is all the
patent identified.
The Hot Cat
Mark Jurich wrote:
Folks, you send “water” through a hole in the wall, and back comes
> something. You can’t assume it’s water.
>
Yes.
> You have to analyze it. Want me to give you a few dozen more examples
> of this, where you can’t assume? ... Knowing what the
The circulating water amounted to 36m^3/day, which gives ~0.41l/s, that's
410g/s. 1g of water needs 4.1J/g to increase 1C, so that quantity of water
absorbed ~1700W for every C. Water entered at 60C, so, we have that the
liquid part absorbed ~70kW. The latetent heat of water, assuming, 1 atm,
is
Folks, you send “water” through a hole in the wall, and back comes something.
You can’t assume it’s water. You have to analyze it.
Want me to give you a few dozen more examples of this, where you can’t assume?
... Knowing what the customer is doing with the water
educates one in what to look
Craig and Alain--
Mutagenic changes in gene cells are not always corrected in the egg cells of
females nor in the sperm cell of males. However damaged egg cells are more
likely because they stay vital for many years, sometimes a much as 60 years in
humans. If an egg cell incurs a mutagenic
a.ashfield wrote:
> I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day.
> The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is
> not hot. The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day
> melter would use the
Jed,
I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450
T/day.The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the
superstructure is not hot.The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton
so a 250 t/day melter would use the equivalent of 12208 KW.The glass is
heated to
Jed,
They may have been 20KW. I found a link that indicates that he did
indeed switch from the smaller e-cats to the 250KW units. The URL is
"http://hydrofusion.com/news/e-cat-third-quarter-developments-2015;
The main quote is:
"Built-in Redundancy
In the first week of August, 2015,
Hi Jed,
I understood that he did indeed have 4 250 kW units in the container which he
used for the test. The older 50 or so smaller units were also in the container
as back up units but were never used in 1 year test, only the 250 W units were
used apparently.
There are pictures I think on
Robert Dorr wrote:
> Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4
> 250kw units.
I think there are 50 boxes in the latest unit, so that's 20 kW per box =
1,000 kW.
- Jed
Jed,
Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to
4 250kw units.
Robert Dorr
WA7ZQR
At 01:17 PM 5/15/2016, you wrote:
Okay, here are the specs for these boilers:
Okay, here are the specs for these boilers:
file:///home/chronos/u-1160197d37ec1500e70f021620dd3bae3f09f41c/Downloads/DR_Electric%20Steam%20Boiler_Nov10.pdf
The models S242 and CR242 are both 420 kW.
The dimensions for both are listed in inches: 43" L x 58" W x 78" H
That's 1 m x 1.5 m x 2 m
Thanks Eric.
From the specs I got the impression it was about 1 sq m (30x30x60 inches) but
perhaps it was a component as it looks bigger in your picture. Still should fit
in a container though. More interesting to me was the data about efficiency.
I wish there was an HVAC engineer who has
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Stephen Cooke
wrote:
http://www.cleaverbrooks.com/Products-and-Solutions/Boilers/Electric/Model-IWH/Index.aspx
>
> Would this not be equivalent to a 250 kW ecat unit?
>
The max is 350 kW. Here is an image with a person to show the
Hello Jed,
I'm clearly no expert and do not claim to be but there are interesting examples
of electrical boilers on the Internet.
Here is an interesting link to a electrical water heater that seems comparable
to an e-cat unit.
Robert Dorr wrote:
> I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a
> large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to
> get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. . . .
>
It is not difficult when you stick to the
I just don't see why it is so difficult
determining the COP of such a large system. As
far as I can see you have to make a few
measurements to get a very good idea of a thermal
plants performance. 1) temperature of water going
in, 2) temperature or water going out, 3) water
flow rate, 4)
Robert Dorr wrote:
> Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe
> you can answer a few questions.
>
Sorry, I cannot address these questions. I hope that I.H. will be able to
address them.
- Jed
Hi Jed
Thanks again for your patience with my questions. I know they were a bit basic
but I wanted to clarify exactly the understanding.
Most the thermal issues especially the waste heat are honestly over my head so
I will leave that to experts.
If there is less than 20kW thermal output I
Axil--
Don’t be so mean!
Bob Cook
From: Axil Axil
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat
But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does
produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat
Hi,
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I would note that all the Agreement called for is a COP of 4.
The second amendment to the agreement modified this detail to stipulate
: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat
How do you know that this trial will be a jury trial? Reference?
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Axil--
Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments on
e
Stephen Cooke wrote:
This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But
> in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and
> "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of
> course.
>
As far as
Hi Jed,
This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But in
the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and "heat
balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of course.
It seems from what you said that the technicians
Jed,
Since you are in communication with someone that
is linked to I.H. maybe you can answer a few questions.
1) Is I.H.'s finding that the 1 MW e-cat plant
produced no heat (COP <1) based on the very same
data set that Rossi used to determine that the
COP was greater than 50? Is the COP
But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor
does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000.
This payment was made on response to the demonstration of a COP 6 or above
for a 24 hour period as defined in the license agreement.
You must be in error in your
Axil Axil wrote:
> Jed or another could negotiate the COP down but by how much is the
> question. 50 is really high to come down from.
>
I cannot negotiate anything. I have no standing in this and no role. I am
not a professional HVAC engineer licensed in Florida, so no
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
> Jed--
>
> You noted that:
>
>
>
>
>
> THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE PRODUCING 50 TIME THE INPUT ENERGY.
>
>
>
If the COP is less than four, the amount paid is reduced proportionately.
So a COP of 1,1 could still make
Hi,
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
I would note that all the Agreement called for is a COP of 4.
>
The second amendment to the agreement modified this detail to stipulate, as
I understand it, a graduated payment for a COP between 2.6 and 6, with the
Jed--
You noted that:
“Think about it for a moment. Rossi says the machine is producing 50 times
input. I.H. says it is producing no heat. One of them has to be drastically
wrong. Completely, utterly mistaken, and grossly incompetent. Or, perhaps,
fraudulent. There is no middle ground here.’
Bob Cook wrote:
Adrian--
>
> I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation
> and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to
> transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet . . .
No, it is much simpler than
How do you know that this trial will be a jury trial? Reference?
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
>
>
> Axil--
>
> Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments
> on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury
Axil--
Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments on
either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury will decide whether
or not the intent of the agreement was met. I would agree the wording will be
important to the decision of the Jury. I am not
Adrian--
I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation
and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to
transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet, and, as others not
proficient in the art of operating a E-Cat, are not able to
Jed,
Well, he might accept it in return for a large sum of money.
>
Why would IH pay a large sum of money for something that produced no excess
energy whatsoever?
Thank you for your insight.
Patrick
in Alaska--now 16 years
old with no apparent degradation--I will be delighted.
Bob Cook
-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:19 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)
Bob,
How much did the 16 panel installation cost?
Bob,
How much did the 16 panel installation cost?
Adrian-
I also own 16 solar panels. Since they were installed on May 4, 2016 I have
earned about $100 for the energy I have produced. The current power being
generated is at 3 kw at 9:30 in the morning. I should do about 25 kwh
today at about $0.63 / kwh. :) With a $5500 tax credit or
Patrick Ellul wrote:
Jed,
>
> If it is a matter of calorimetry as you insist, why would they ever settle
> out of court?
>
I only say that because people often settle out of court. Their lawyers may
advise them to do that to save money.
Rossi will never accept that it
Jed,
If it is a matter of calorimetry as you insist, why would they ever settle
out of court?
Rossi claims it totally rocked while IH claim it totally did not work
whatsoever.
Settlement would mean that there is a middle ground in terms of success
based on calorimetry.
Settlement would mean
6 11:55 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals
There is an opinion around that says that all atoms that comprise rydberg
matter are entangled.
In this state, a cluster of N atoms form a lattice in which each member of this
aggregation is identical to all
There is an opinion around that says that all atoms that comprise rydberg
matter are entangled.
In this state, a cluster of N atoms form a lattice in which each member of
this aggregation is identical to all the other members of the aggregation.
That means that all the atoms act in lock step so
One key feature that Higgins has identified is the nature of the outer (way
out) electron. He noted that it is planar in nature and the outer electron can
exhibit different shapes and angular momentum and interact with nuclei. in the
RM to hold it together---a bond. Such bonding suggests a
Stephen Cooke wrote:
> Especially when you can't discuss some things you know about the current
> context and have to instead draw on older material to which you had
> concerns about at the time but previously gave the benefit of the doubt.
>
Yes, that is the
Bob Cook wrote:
> [Dunn] seems to be more of a marketer for hydrogen fuel and renewable
> energy. There could have been some conflict of interest with Rossi’s goals
> of marketing his E-Cat. Who knows, maybe Rossi saw thru the $15 M offer
> Jed talks about and
Thanks Jed for replying, I can appreciate its not easy taking your stance and
that it's difficult for you to explain things from this view point. Especially
when you can't discuss some things you know about the current context and have
to instead draw on older material to which you had concerns
: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach
to LENR 's existentil problems
Stephen Cooke <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jed, do you know what the temperature of the steam was?
I know pract
Stephen Cooke wrote:
Hi Jed, do you know what the temperature of the steam was?
>
I know practically nothing about this device. Rossi never described it. Jim
Dunn never got a chance to evaluate it, because Rossi threw him out. There
are some photos of it at Krivit's
Hi Jed, do you know what the temperature of the steam was?
I understood you mentioned that Jim said the pressure also rose, but I wonder
if it was at air pressure if it might have explained the lack of apparent steam
vapour? If the steam was much hotter than 100 deg C at air pressure it would
Axil Axil wrote:
When a test is designed, a test plan is generated that defines what the
> test is going to do and how it is going to do it in detail. Both parties
> look at the test plan and sign off on that plan.
>
> This I.H. test plan should had the test procedures
When a test is designed, a test plan is generated that defines what the
test is going to do and how it is going to do it in detail. Both parties
look at the test plan and sign off on that plan.
This I.H. test plan should had the test procedures defined in detail which
includes how energy
a.ashfield wrote:
"No, it was just debris or something. This sort of thing happens with
> experiments."
>
> It would require BOTH the inlet and outlet to be blocked.
Good point. Maybe it was just a boil-off reactor? I do not know. Jim said
the outlet was blocked so the
Jed,
Surely you can answer yes or no.
" The reactor was turned off. Hours later it was cooler but when they
opened it, the room was filled with steam."
"Hours later." Surely that tells you heat was being generated.
"No, it was just debris or something. This sort of thing happens with
a.ashfield wrote:
> Did anyone tell you why it was bad?
I cannot discuss this. Sorry.
> If the E-Cat test that nearly exploded was like the ones that were
> demonstrated I can understand that one would not expect it to get blocked -
> both inlet and outlet.
The
Jed,
Did anyone tell you why it was bad? Yes or no. You don't have to
discuss it although I don't see why it should be secret..
If the E-Cat test that nearly exploded was like the ones that were
demonstrated I can understand that one would not expect it to get
blocked - both inlet and
a.ashfield wrote:
> Did anyone tell you why it was "bad"?
>
That I cannot discuss. Sorry.
I find it very hard to believe one could make an error of x50.
>
It is hard to believe. But we have all seen errors of this magnitude on a
small scale, and even on the kilowatt
Jed,
"That is a little unclear. I mean:
I cannot describe the details, but the gist of it is, I.H. thinks that
Rossi's calorimetry is badly done and his conclusions are invalid.
Experts from outside of I.H. have examined the calorimetry and they told
me they agree with I.H.
As I said
I wrote:
> can you reveal why?
>>
>
> Sorry, no I cannot describe details. I will say that sources outside of
> I.H. confirmed that the calorimetry is badly done.
>
That is a little unclear. I mean:
I cannot describe the details, but the gist of it is, I.H. thinks that
Rossi's calorimetry is
Axil Axil wrote:
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Jed Rothwell
> wrote:
>
> I heard a few reports that I.H. was not happy.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>> can you reveal why?
>
Sorry, no I cannot describe details. I will say that sources outside of
I.H.
Jack, I respect that people change opinion. I mostly disagree with the
labels put on Rossi in this case. I do not know him as Jed points out.
However, I have met a few entrepreneurs and he certainly sounds like one.
Another thing is that I have operated as IH and I understand their dilemma.
I am
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I heard a few reports that I.H. was not happy.
>
> - Jed
>
> can you reveal why?
I wrote:
> As I said -- over and over -- I know several skilled people who are
> working with I.H., and who knows what Rossi has done.
>
I mean they know what he did previously, with NASA and others. I doubt they
know about the 1-year test. Everyone knows about NASA because the people
from NASA
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
I also hope so for the sake of City dwellers in Anchorage and Fairbanks
> does something. For example, the State could use eminent domain to take
> over the oil leases and the pipeline from the usurious oil companies and
Jack Cole wrote:
I think Jed cares about the truth and hates that the situation has turned
> out the way it has.
>
I.H. hates it way more than I do! I feel terrible for them. Fortunately, it
seems they intend to stay in the field and continue funding other
researchers. Thank
Lennart,
Many of us sounded different before. It has taken us awhile to get more
information about the situation (e.g., negative replications galore,
repeated patterns of egregious mistakes made by Rossi / the people he
chooses to conduct "tests").
I very much understand the desire to believe
Lennart Thornros wrote:
Jed - nobody but Rossi has a claim with IH.
>
Do you mean only Rossi is working with I.H? That is incorrect. I know
several researchers funded by them.
I think you need to tell what you know and how that makes you so sure about
> the situation.
>
Jed - nobody but Rossi has a claim with IH.
I think you need to tell what you know and how that makes you so sure about
the situation. I still do not agree with the way you have thrown Rossi
under the bus. Not long ago you sounded different. You have other info you
need to present it or your say
Bob Cook wrote:
> I forgot to mention the Japanese ( I think Misuno) R work. They are
> not above spoon feeding. They even pay as a dessert course. I trust you
> remember your job as a consultant on calorimetric measurements for their
> experiments.
>
That has
Rothwell
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 4:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach
to LENR 's existentil problems
Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I understand why you believe NASA the Navy and elsewhere, a
Bob Cook wrote:
> I think I understand why you believe NASA the Navy and elsewhere, as well
> as the venture capitalists—they have spoon-feed you. Most of them are the
> same government/energy village, not unlike the “nuclear village in Japan,
> that has tried to
-humble opinion.
I do have a good idea who you have talked to, since you have identified them
over the 2 plus years I have participated in the Vortex-l blog.
Bob Cook
From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue
Bob Cook wrote:
IMHO you seem to select those folks who you want to believe, and distrust
> those that seem to support Rossi’s comments.
>
It may seem so to you, but you are wrong. I have met with and worked with
many people who worked with Rossi -- or tried to work
Jed--
IMHO you seem to select those folks who you want to believe, and distrust those
that seem to support Rossi’s comments.
Along the lines of throwing people out of offices, I was once after
interviewing for a job thrown out of a an apparently competent engineer’s
office. The
Bob Cook wrote:
> As best I can see from the agreement, the idea was to demonstrate a long
> term test with an average COP of at least 4. This was (possibly)
> accomplished.
>
It was not accomplished. The device produced no excess heat. That's what
they told me, in no
Bob Higgins--
I agree with most of what you say below. However, my reading of the agreement
between Rossi and IH does not include unlimited transfer of IP by Rossi. I
thought the scope of the IP involved was spelled out in the specific documents
containing the IP. I would not suppose that
Eric--
You noted:
“I suppose governments will step in if things get usurious.”
I also hope so for the sake of City dwellers in Anchorage and Fairbanks does
something. For example, the State could use eminent domain to take over the
oil leases and the pipeline from the usurious oil
Bob Higgins--
The political environment is all important, particularly the different
environments between states. In progressive liberal states, Washington falling
into this category IMHO, the utilities do not have the power that they have in
states such as Florida and and the middle west and
Incentives and net metering were great... I say were. They are now largely
a thing of the past. When I lived in S. FL, I installed a grid-tie system
(5.4 kW rated) and was able to net 0 kWH for about 6 months out of the year
(3500 sq ft home with two high efficiency A/C units). I got incentives
Yesterday at 10:15 AM I starting making solar power and distributing it to the
grid at $0.63 per Kwh. (Washington is progressive.) I used about 4 Kwh’s at
the house that cost me $0.50. I produced about 18 Kwh before it clouded over
at about 3 PM. I banked about $8.82. This summer while
RE: [Vo]:Re: DCE, PEC and TiH2Jones--
Several additional observations/ideas:
1. If resonances are involved in the mechanism(s) for release of heat,
getting two or more associated with different mechanisms to happen at the same
time (or in a very short time) may be tough and be the reason why
From: Bob Cook
If I understand the crux of your theory, there is a phase change going on that
harvests energy from some source…In the cases where a plasma is apparent, what
is the nature of the phase change you indicate is happening?
Bob,
One of the main problems with LENR from the start
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
me356’s Vortex-l email this morning is interesting in this
> regard—particularly the purple glow in his quartz see-in reactor. It seems
> like there may be a resonance of some sort there. Me356 notes that it
> does not
DCE, PEC and TiH2Jones--
If I understand the crux of your theory, there is a phase change going on that
harvests energy from some source.
In the cases where a plasma is apparent, what is the nature of the phase change
you indicate is happening?
Maybe the “plasmas” in some of the active
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:31:43 -0700:
Hi,
Try creating 2 volts over a gap that is stuffed with a metal powder i.s.o.
air, let alone 10 V.
>Robin--
>
>The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug. The
>current is low but the transient
ividual
> technologists—scientists/engineers—instead of a committee of 3 making the
> final decision about the theory.
>
> Bob
>
> *From:* Ruby <r...@hush.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2016 8:09 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info
Thank you Bob for clarifying that.
I did not know what you meant.
I do agree, science should not reject obvious data -by definition!
Alas it is true, scientists are human, and many see only what they expect to
see,
so
tex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info
That is to say "accept the experimental results and form a theory
around the data", not ignore what doesn't fit one's model.
The contextual meaning says "accept th
.
For example, material activation from accelerator operations do not come under
NRC purview. I do think EPA regulation covers those accelerated produced
wastes.
Bob
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret
Bob,
As mentioned in another thread, John Dash found excess heat and nuclear
transmutation using pure titanium cathode and heavy water many years ago.
Impurities in the Titanium are not needed… that is, if you use deuterium. But
can we accept the consequences of radioactive transmutation
Jones--
Back on April 21 I commented:
“Could impurities in the Ti or Ni FCC structure create a bigger 5 atom hole
with a greater transition energy, particularly as changes from alpha to beta
phases occur? The correct impurities may allow for a higher reaction
temperature for the LENR to go in
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info
Bob, you are quoting out of context.
I am guessing you did not read the paper yet, for in this case, "the obvious"
refers to "the scientific results".
That is to say "accept the experimental results
Bob Cook,
Elsewhere Rossi has described the Quark X as being like a pencil and
producing 100 W.
I assume the casing is made out of a ceramic if the reactor can run at
1400C.
Bob, you are quoting out of context.
I am guessing you did not read the paper yet, for in this case, "the
obvious" refers to "the scientific results".
That is to say "accept the experimental results and form a theory
around the data", not ignore what doesn't fit one's model.
The
Robin--
The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug. The
current is low but the transient voltage is what is required to initiate the
LENR. Spark plugs in cars develop 20,000 volts as you probably know. I
have been shocked may times by such voltage sources.
I guessed
Peter--
You quoted Ed Storms as follows:
“Once again, science has been forced to either reject the obvious or accept the
impossible” (Ed Storms)
IMHO the bread and butter of science is accepting the impossible and trying to
explain it in a logical manner based on observations of real
-X device.
Bob Cook
From: Axil Axil
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:56 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature
To the best of my understanding, titanium is not covered in Rossi's patent for
the hot cat.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:23 PM
To the best of my understanding, titanium is not covered in Rossi's patent
for the hot cat.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
> Jones and Robin--
>
> Rossi as said today on his blog that he uses Ti in his Quark-x device.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> -Original
Jones and Robin--
Rossi as said today on his blog that he uses Ti in his Quark-x device.
Bob Cook
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature
Hi Robin,
Dear Jim,
More important- what do YOU know, think believe about the entire conflict?
I would gladly publish your statement(s) in my blog EGO OUT.
thanks in advance,
Peter
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM, James Dunn wrote:
> See
>
See
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a20454/in-cold-fusion-20-whos
-scamming-whom/
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