On 12/20/2009 12:22 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:56 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
A Ponzi scheme is specifically a scheme for allowing *investors* to
make money even though the company has no source of income. It's the
lure of assured high return on the money which pulls in the investors.
On 12/19/2009 06:25 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Further, we know that they can produce something more interesting. I
don't think Hoyt is lying. Do you?
No, Hoyt's not lying. But Hoyt has been lied to and has apparently been
taken in by them (sorry, Hoyt, that's what I see).
I see no
At 10:03 AM 12/20/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/20/2009 12:22 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:56 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
A Ponzi scheme is specifically a scheme for allowing *investors* to
make money even though the company has no source of income. It's the
lure of assured high
At 10:10 AM 12/20/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/19/2009 06:25 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Further, we know that they can produce something more interesting. I
don't think Hoyt is lying. Do you?
No, Hoyt's not lying. But Hoyt has been lied to and has apparently
been taken in
At 03:42 PM 12/18/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
However, bilked may not be it. Rather, he set up a speculative
investment opportunity for people, under this particular theory:
now that you know we don't actually have anything yet -- we might
find the magic wand waving
how do we find this
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
According to one of my latest Google news alerts Steorn just made CNN
news. However, I can't seem to find the link anywhere on cnn's web
site.
Does anyone know anything about
At 04:46 PM 12/18/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
-- I think it's unlikely that they're cash positive right now, if we
leave cash flow from stock sales off the balance sheet. But, that
doesn't really matter much; with repeated rounds of financing,
companies can go for years in a
tl;dr
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 04:46 PM 12/18/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Esa Ruoho wrote:
tl;dr
My thoughts exactly. Speculation has indeed run rampant!
- Jed
so, is there anything any of you would like me to do at the waterways
thingo? i'll be there around tuesday. i've been asked by a friend to take a
close-up photo of the battery, and just generally wave my iphone around the
motor (since the current cameras arent really closeup enough).. and uhh
At 05:43 PM 12/18/2009, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Mongo want to see a light bulb real soon.
No light bulb soon, Mongo send candygram to Sean.
Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb!
Steorn response simple: light bulb. Lights up. What does that mean?
Or not. Whatever they think will
At 05:27 PM 12/18/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/18/2009 02:31 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 11:02 PM 12/17/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Sounds good. But magicians don't usually start by working to convince
everyone that they are incompetent liars. That's a label nobody wants
Abd sez:
Mongo want to see a light bulb real soon.
No light bulb soon, Mongo send candygram to Sean.
Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb!
Steorn response simple: light bulb. Lights up. What does that mean?
Mongo sez:
Abd not serious! Even Mongo KNOWS what Light bulb means!
[And then,
On 12/19/2009 05:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 04:46 PM 12/18/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
-- I think it's unlikely that they're cash positive right now, if we
leave cash flow from stock sales off the balance sheet. But, that
doesn't really matter much; with repeated rounds of
Mongo is right.
harry
- Original Message
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 7:10:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Steorn Demo
Abd sez:
Mongo want to see a light bulb real soon.
No light bulb
At 10:56 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
A Ponzi scheme is specifically a scheme for allowing *investors* to
make money even though the company has no source of income. It's
the lure of assured high return on the money which pulls in the
investors. In particular, investors who pull out before a
On 12/18/2009 01:34 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
Rick always writes what he means and means what he says. He's the guy
who sells the Bedini kits, there's a 10 coil monopole kit that they
have released, for instance. http://rpmgt.org/order.html
The Bedini Monopole Energizer kit was built by a friend
According to one of my latest Google news alerts Steorn just made CNN
news. However, I can't seem to find the link anywhere on cnn's web
site.
Does anyone know anything about this?
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
At 12:11 AM 12/17/2009, William Beaty wrote:
7. It's NOT the company's number one goal to prove that the invention is
real. The scam company seems to have no goal besides creating an aura of
attractive secrets: secrets which will only be revealed to an in-group
of superior blue-blooded
From Stephen Lawrence
...
... But he's [MADOFF] **NOT** held up as an example of a
successful con artist, because he (a) had no exit strategy, ...
Ok, then then what's Steorn's exit strategy?
The whole Storn group (at the correct strategic moment) buys
themselves one-way tickets to the
At 10:10 PM 12/17/2009, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
Abd remarks,
[...]
What I do claim is that the Steorn situation bears very strong marks
of being a con, a fairly sophisticated one, where they are
deliberately setting up demonstrations with obvious flaws, which they
can then
From Abd:
...
Yet it appears to be working, Steven. You are making
assumptions about how they will proceed, and, also,
assumptions about what is involved in the NDAs.
Of course I'm making lots of assumptions. Some of them may even
stretch the sensibilities of Occam's Razor. Guilty as
At 11:20 AM 12/18/2009, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
From Stephen Lawrence
... But he's [MADOFF] **NOT** held up as an example of a
successful con artist, because he (a) had no exit strategy, ...
Ok, then then what's Steorn's exit strategy?
I certainly don't know for sure. Depends
On 12/18/2009 01:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:10 PM 12/17/2009, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
When do they get to eat their cake? More to the point, how can they
get to
the cake without getting the heads cut off?
They are already eating the cake, for some years
On 12/18/2009 02:31 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 11:02 PM 12/17/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Sounds good. But magicians don't usually start by working to convince
everyone that they are incompetent liars. That's a label nobody wants
to start with.
I have experienced the exact
From Stephen Lawrence:
...
... Oh, I agree that Steorn's fate won't be resolved.
Mongo [in a rare moment of pensive self-reflection] tends to disagree.
Mongo want to see a light bulb real soon.
No light bulb soon, Mongo send candygram to Sean.
Light bulb! Light bulb! Light bulb!
Regards
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
BTW, anybody know where Steorn is incorporated?
From:
http://www.steorn.com/about/disclaimer/
Steorn Limited, Unit 18, Docklands Innovation Park, East Wall Rd,
Dublin 3, Ireland, a limited liability company
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:11 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
I wrote that, when? Late 2005? Was that before Steorn's stuff?
Yes, their claim surfaced in late 2006.
Terry
William Beaty wrote:
Was flying machine plagued constantly by con artists taking money from
enormous numbers of people?
Well, not enormous numbers, but there were quite a few. Enough to
cause the Wright brothers many problems because, for example, U.S.
Army officials assumed they were con
I wrote:
Well, not enormous numbers, but there were quite a few. Enough to
cause the Wright brothers many problems because, for example, U.S.
Army officials assumed they were con artists.
An even bigger problem was incompetent wannabee aviators, especially
Langley (Smithsonian) and Ferber
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Needless to say, incompetent and dishonest people have caused much
harm in over-unity energy research, cold fusion and related fields.
It is not fair to hold Prof. A at fault because Prof. B makes a dumb
mistake, but people tend to tar them with the
At 02:25 PM 12/16/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Let me repeat, I am playing devil's advocate here. I do not
seriously believe these claims. On the other hand, there have been
several magic magnetic motor claims over the years and I am not
quite ready to dismiss them all.
I'm not making a general
At 02:44 PM 12/16/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/16/2009 02:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
So, not only are the batteries running down (obvious from the slowing
of the motors discussed in another thread) but the units seem to be
failing. The cameras also go off line at convenient
At 03:37 PM 12/16/2009, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
I'm on thin ice with that question, so all I can say is it is connected, but
not in the normal way. All the battery energy is dissipated as heat, not
KE.
Well, Hoyt, you can get off the thin ice, I will ask you some generic
questions that
At 04:00 PM 12/16/2009, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
What's the payoff? ...That Steorn is really good at manipulating PR?
...That they they can pull a fast one on everyone? There seems to be
an equally unproven assumption that if Steorn can pull it off that
future prospective clients
Abd remarks,
...
What I do claim is that the Steorn situation bears very strong marks
of being a con, a fairly sophisticated one, where they are
deliberately setting up demonstrations with obvious flaws, which they
can then remedy, setting up the rebound effect.
...
You may recall that I
On 12/17/2009 08:38 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 02:44 PM 12/16/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/16/2009 02:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
So, not only are the batteries running down (obvious from the slowing
of the motors discussed in another thread) but the units seem to be
On 12/17/2009 10:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
I disagree. I think Steorn would have to convince a LOT of people in order
to pull it off, but in the end it would still fail - they will still be
tarred and feathered. It's my understanding that most con jobs are done with
as
Rick always writes what he means and means what he says. He's the guy
who sells the Bedini kits, there's a 10 coil monopole kit that they
have released, for instance. http://rpmgt.org/order.html
The Bedini Monopole Energizer kit was built by a friend and he came to
the conclusion that it's only
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The battery is puzzling, but they do not hide it, so I do not see how
it could be part of a scam.
Buy lots of Magniwork kits. After all, they promise a refund, and that
proves it cannot be a scam! :)
But seriously, if scammers can find a way to make
On 12/15/2009 09:26 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
As a Steorn Non Disclosure Agreement signatory and knowledgeable insider, I
have a few comments:
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way to modify some
parameters of the device.
William Beaty wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The battery is puzzling, but they do not hide it, so I do not see how
it could be part of a scam.
Buy lots of Magniwork kits. After all, they promise a refund, and that
proves it cannot be a scam! :)
But seriously, if
I wrote:
. . . [T]his is a variation of the non-falsifiable claim that the
more credible a claim appears to be, the more likely it is a scam.
In that case, as a real claim and a scam approach perfection, it
becomes impossible to tell them apart. That can't be!
What I mean is, strictly
On 12/16/2009 09:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12/15/2009 09:26 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
As a Steorn Non Disclosure Agreement signatory and knowledgeable
insider, I
have a few comments:
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the
rotor, it
is used as an
At 09:26 PM 12/15/2009, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
As a Steorn Non Disclosure Agreement signatory and knowledgeable insider, I
have a few comments:
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way to modify some
parameters of the device.
On 12/16/2009 10:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
. . . [T]his is a variation of the non-falsifiable claim that the more
credible a claim appears to be, the more likely it is a scam. In that
case, as a real claim and a scam approach perfection, it becomes
impossible to tell them apart.
At 08:16 PM 12/15/2009, Terry Blanton wrote:
We built a Bedini motor, specifically, the bicycle wheel type known as
the school girl motor and measured the efficiency with a torque
meter. We found the efficiency to be around 30%.
The truth is that pulse charging of a battery removes the
rick friedrich likens steorn to bedini on bedini_monopole_3.
(im fairly sure its steorn being talked about, since the whole thing
was launched yesterday)
:
:
:
Subject: Every so often someone copies Bedini at the right time
Posted by: rickfriedrich rickfriedr...@yahoo.com rickfriedrich
Wed Dec
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
If they are claiming to have working all-permanent-magnet motors,
then either they're lying, or it's the Dawn of a New Era. You can't
be confused about whether you have something or not, and a motor
with *no* internal power source is not something you can sort of
On 12/16/2009 10:45 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 08:16 PM 12/15/2009, Terry Blanton wrote:
We built a Bedini motor, specifically, the bicycle wheel type known as
the school girl motor and measured the efficiency with a torque
meter. We found the efficiency to be around 30%.
The truth is
At 04:21 PM 12/15/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
[Jed Rothwell wrote]:
If Steorn is a scam, it is an inept one.
Sez who? They've got investors. Ergo it's good enough for them,
whether or not you think it's inept.
What's more, by the very crude bumbling naivete of their public
On 12/16/2009 11:06 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
That's my conclusion as well. I've come to the conclusion that the
weakness of the demo is part of their design. They will start taking the
covers off, so to speak, having aroused a host of obvious objections.
They will address these
Hoyt,
Can you help us (me) out here... without violating the principals of the NDA.
Can it be conclusively proven (at least beyond a reasonable amount of
doubt) that the battery is in no way connected to the actual running
of the ORBO device?
This HAS to be dealt with. This HAS to be clarified.
At 11:00 AM 12/16/2009, Esa Ruoho wrote:
I was running the system on smaller used batteries for days and they
remained charged even though a good number of amps were constantly
being drawn and the meter was showing 1/3rd of the amps going back
into the secondary.
Take a hint. Fine to set it up
Hoyt (the Insider) Stearns wrote, :-)
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way
to modify some parameters of the device.
In watching the Launch 2009 video where some closeups and animations are shown,
they show what looks
like a small
At 11:08 AM 12/16/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
If they are claiming to have working all-permanent-magnet motors,
then either they're lying, or it's the Dawn of a New Era. You
can't be confused about whether you have something or not, and a
motor with *no* internal
On 12/16/2009 12:07 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 11:00 AM 12/16/2009, Esa Ruoho wrote:
No he didn't. Esa Ruoho quoted rickfriedrich from the
bedini_monopole_3 forum. It was Rick who was experimenting with the
Bedini motor described here, not Esa, and AFAIK Rick isn't on Vortex.
On 12/16/2009 12:35 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Hoyt (the Insider) Stearns wrote, :-)
The energy in the battery does not go to the kinetic energy of the rotor, it
is used as an easy way
to modify some parameters of the device.
In watching the Launch 2009 video where some closeups and animations
Regarding recent comments made by Hoyt Stearns:
...
Their strategy is rather bizarre, but in a way I think it is
ingenious for many reasons (speculative):
They must prove that their techniques are not obvious to anyone
skilled in the art for patentability, even though they are
extremely
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope Steorn has done their homework when it comes to running covert
operations. ;-)
Obviously not. They are swapping out units every few hours. The
Village of the Banned are tracking the swap
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Look, the demonstration device seems pretty simple.
Many things seem simple but are not.
They don't want to bother making a fully self-sustaining one after
you have established they can do that, because by making partially
self-sustaining prototypes they make
On 12/16/2009 02:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
So, not only are the batteries running down (obvious from the slowing
of the motors discussed in another thread) but the units seem to be
failing. The cameras also go off line at convenient times. What in
heck are they up to? Too much Irish
On 12/16/2009 02:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
What in
heck are they up to? Too much Irish whiskey?
Does anyone here have any idea what Sean McCarthy's management style is
like?
Is it possible that he's an autocrat who won't take no for an answer,
and only listens to people who (pretend
I'm on thin ice with that question, so all I can say is it is connected, but
not in the normal way. All the battery energy is dissipated as heat, not
KE.
Hoyt
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com]
Can it be conclusively proven (at
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Didn't someone have a theory that they were doing all this just to show how
good they are at running a PR campaign?
Maybe that's it; otherwise, I can't figure them out.
Why would they risk another failed demo after
Terry sez:
Didn't someone have a theory that they were doing all this just to show how
good they are at running a PR campaign?
Maybe that's it; otherwise, I can't figure them out.
Why would they risk another failed demo after 2007?
I don't admit to having an answer, but I do know this
On 12/16/2009 03:37 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
I'm on thin ice with that question, so all I can say is it is connected, but
not in the normal way. All the battery energy is dissipated as heat, not
KE.
Two things, neither one a question (I realize you're standing on thin
ice with an
Steven V Johnson wrote:
What's the payoff? ...That Steorn is really good at manipulating PR?
No. On the contrary, they seem really, really bad at PR!
...That they they can pull a fast one on everyone?
Heck, I would be surprised if they can pull a fast one on anyone,
never mind everyone.
Only Steorn's people know what the plans are, but many of us think that
their activities are carefully orchestrated and they're keeping to the plan,
as bizarre as it seems ( but I sure wish it had been a whole helluva lot
faster ).
Steorn is definitely keeping a low, sometimes misleading
On 12/16/2009 04:30 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote:
Only Steorn's people know what the plans are, but many of us think that
their activities are carefully orchestrated and they're keeping to the plan,
as bizarre as it seems ( but I sure wish it had been a whole helluva lot
faster ).
Steorn
The missing honesty phenomenon
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I would like to caution readers that this argument by Stephen A. Lawrence is
logically invalid:
Looking like a scammer is not good when you're trying to lure investors.
Really talented con men show you everything,
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
If it can be shown conclusively that the battery is connected only to
the control electronics,
Why mess with such complexity? Just put a stupid frikn supercap in
there, and measure the voltage. Here, I have five different kinds in a
box here. Two
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In fact they claimed this back before their earlier demo, which was
supposed to show just such a motor, if I recall correctly; however, it
didn't.
We expected them to finally at long last prove in a simple manner that the
device is real. We
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It reminds me a little of the situation with airplanes from 1905 to
1908.
Was flying machine plagued constantly by con artists taking money from
enormous numbers of people? I.e. was it akin to lead-into-gold alchemist
research, or known-shady used car
The Steorn Demo RIG - jpeg and PDF format. check it.
http://www.steorn.com/demo/rig/
also something:
http://www.steorn.com/demo/
Visit Steorn's Orbo technology demonstration at the Waterways Ireland
Visitor Centre in Dublin What we're doing
We are delighted to announce the live demonstration of
http://www.steorn.com/images/rig01.pdf
*Latest Steorn Press Release*
Steorn is pleased to announce that public demonstrations of its
controversial Orbo technology will begin today in Dublin and continue for
the next six weeks.
Orbo technology, which has been in development for six years, provides free,
clean and constant energy at
On 12/15/2009 07:45 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
http://www.steorn.com/images/rig01.pdf
So there's a battery in it.
So, it's not self-running; it runs from battery power.
So, what is it supposed to be, exactly?
yeah, thats what all the dogjaws on twitter are harping on and on about.
perpetual nonsense powered by a battery. there has got to be a reason why
they just show it directly. i hope we'll figure out why eventually. i
understand that the WITTS delay line generator, for instance, requires
batteries
to see the shit-storm: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23steorn
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah, thats what all the dogjaws on twitter are harping on and on about.
perpetual nonsense powered by a battery. there has got to be a reason why
they just show
So... if the generator recharges the battery, then why not just
disconnect the battery and run the thing with the power from the
generator?
I think it's a crock...
Craig (Houston)
This is the eternal argument, and the last one that people come up
with. There appears to be an imbalance that the battery-fed circuit
gets from the battery, that the circuit balances out and some of the
balancing reaction is tapped for doing work. Most of these start as
energysavings and
... Let's see what their (Steorn's) reasons are for requiring a
battery. If it really is transformation that they're tapping, they'll have
to explain away the battery-requirement like a bunch of adults. Of course
theyll be mocked for having a battery by anyone who believes they're doing
in a matter of days...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steorn Demo
... Let's see what their (Steorn's) reasons are for requiring a
battery. If it really
]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steorn Demo
... Let's see what their (Steorn's) reasons are for requiring a
battery. If it really is transformation that they're tapping, they'll
have to explain away the battery-requirement like a bunch
Personally, I just wish the damned contraption was hooked up to a
light bulb. Hell! If the thing was doing nothing more than powering a
couple of energy efficient LEDs, for several weeks straight, now THAT
would impress me more than the current battery recharging
configuration.
For me,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JikYfmEdF8
Steorn Orbo Technology Launch 2009
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:31 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, I just wish the damned contraption was hooked up to a
light bulb.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/emergingtech/0,100183,39938307,00.htm
At 10:53 AM 12/15/2009, Craig Haynie wrote:
We on this list, are indeed patient, but there are smoothing circuits
and capacitors which could take the power from the generator and turn
it into the equilibrium of a battery.
Craig (Houston)
That's what I thought of immediately. A nice big fat
Personally, I just wish the damned contraption was hooked up to a
light bulb. Hell! If the thing was doing nothing more than powering a
couple of energy efficient LEDs, for several weeks straight, now THAT
would impress me more than the current battery recharging
configuration.
The battery is
At 12:35 PM 12/15/2009, Mark Iverson wrote:
Its explained in the YouTube video,
Steorn Orbo Technology Launch 2009
The lower two rotors are a motor with PMs on the rotors and small
coils (electromagnets?) on the
stator. The EMs obviously require some DC electricity. The topmost
rotor is a
From Craig:
Personally, I just wish the damned contraption was hooked
up to a light bulb. Hell! If the thing was doing nothing
more than powering a couple of energy efficient LEDs, for
several weeks straight, now THAT would impress me more than
the current battery recharging
The battery is puzzling, but they do not hide it, so I do not see how
it could be part of a scam.
Mark Iverson wrote:
so it should be easy to demonstrate that this thing could be kept
running for weeks, months when it should draw down the battery in a
matter of days...
Hours, not days.
On 12/15/2009 01:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:53 AM 12/15/2009, Craig Haynie wrote:
We on this list, are indeed patient, but there are smoothing circuits
and capacitors which could take the power from the generator and turn
it into the equilibrium of a battery.
Craig (Houston)
On 12/15/2009 02:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The battery is puzzling, but they do not hide it, so I do not see how it
could be part of a scam.
Mark Iverson wrote:
so it should be easy to demonstrate that this thing could be kept
running for weeks, months when it should draw down the battery
At 01:37 PM 12/15/2009, Esa Ruoho wrote:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/emergingtech/0,100183,39938307,00.htm
From that page:
The device is powered by a large 10,000 mAH 1.2v nickel metal
hydride rechargeable battery. Steorn says that this is recharged by
the device itself, but has not
It's a freakin' Bedini motor.
Geeze.
I wrote:
It would be nice to have some definite indication of how much, by
putting a mechanical load on it. Something like a miniature de Prony brake.
I mean that since the machine produces mechanical motion, it makes
sense to measure that directly, rather than -- say -- converting it
to
On 12/15/2009 02:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'm not going to reject Steorn just because it flies in the face of
solidly established theory, and it certainly does that far more than
cold fusion -- which really just contradicted a poverty of imagination,
not actual conservation of
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Hours, not days. Toys that operate with D batteries run out in an hour
or so.
Wrong comparison. D-cell powered toys are typically doing
significant work. On the other hand, small induction motors that do
nothing but rotate do *not* run down a small battery in an
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