fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
> I have applied this vibrating Bose condensate thing to the hydrogen
> atom. Many things come out of the analysis, such as; It explains why
> the electron does not spiral into the nucleus.
Can you explain why?
I would like to read the preprint of your paper, if possib
age -
>> From: Edmund Storms
>> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:16 am
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
>>
>> To avoid making yourself ill with worry, let me add a bit of
>>> optimism. Cold fusion has left the garage level of research and
>>> enter
Ed, You are making the experiment to hard. All that is need is a @ 5 inch
palladium wire. The wire would be run through a divider. On one side of
the wall would be low pressure hydrogen. On the other side would be water
though which you could see the hydrogen bubbling. Connect a signal
need to be made, the garage might be a useful
laboratory.
Ed
On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
To avoid making yourself ill with worry, let me add a bit of
: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
This is a nice imaginative theory described in the article, Frank,
but it does not prove that Bose Condensates of hydrogen exist. In
fact, such structure should show up as anomalies in diffusion, which
they do not. If a structure containing H(D) can move through the
lattice
try this.
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:28 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
This is a nice imaginative theory described in the article, Frank, but it does
not prove that Bose Condensates of hydrogen exist. In fact, such structure
should show up as anomalies in diffusion, which they
-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:28 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
This is a nice imaginative theory described in the article, Frank, but it does
not prove that Bose Condensates of hydrogen exist. In fact, such structure
should show up as anomalies in diffusion, which
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
> To avoid making yourself ill with worry, let me add a bit of
> optimism. Cold fusion has left the garage level of research and
> entered the level of a well funded l
Try "quantum tunneling".
Terry
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:09 AM, OrionWorks wrote:
> My knowledge of quantum effects is rather provincial, so please take
> this into consideration concerning the quality of my question.
>
> I've heard of a phenomenon akin to subatomic particles being able to
> "bo
My knowledge of quantum effects is rather provincial, so please take
this into consideration concerning the quality of my question.
I've heard of a phenomenon akin to subatomic particles being able to
"bore" effortlessly through atoms in a manner roughly similar to
playing croquet, where you place
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
Ed you need to search for "Heavy Fermion Superconductivity" to find
out what the non-cold fusion community
is doing with proton superconductions.
Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate i
:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
Ed you need to search for "Heavy Fermion Superconductivity" to find out what
the non-cold fusion community
is doing with proton superconductions.
Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate is involved. I have
trouble with this concept bec
Ed you need to search for "Heavy Fermion Superconductivity" to find out what
the non-cold fusion community
is doing with proton superconductions.
Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate is involved. I have
trouble with this concept because these structures are expected to have very
Harry Veeder wrote:
There are plenty of retired scientists/engineers enjoying comfortable
> pensions right now. If enough of them contributed a fraction of their income
> to a fund for cold fusion research . . .
We don't need their money. We need their support. We need them to read
papers, learn
-
From: Chris Zell
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
> So, individually, we stand almost no chance of contributing
> anything to cold fusion, nor has any particularly practical way
> been conceived to power a vehicle with it.(??!)
>
> Many of u
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
> Well Frank, such ideas have value only when they show why and how most
> observed behaviors occur and how to make the behavior occur more
> consistently and at higher levels. All theories I know about met only a
> small fraction of this requi
I actually wondered if that could be the reason you already had not done so,
of course now I have to wonder if it is specific to the idea or rather
general, though I suppose I would need to leave that up to my imagination to
work out..
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> *Fro
hazy.
Frank Z
-Original Message-
From: fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
However, I would like to know, based on your model, exactly which
kinds of atoms and how I need to arrange them in a solid or living
cell to ca
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:15 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate is involved. I
have trouble with this concept because these structures are expected
to have very low bonding energy, hence have been observed only near
absolute zero. In addition, su
Several people have suggested that a Bose Condensate is involved. I have
trouble with this concept because these structures are expected to have very
low bonding energy, hence have been observed only near absolute zero. In
addition, such a structure based on hydrogen is still pure speculation. T
You are proposing more than downshifting. You are proposing the 24 MeV is
converted instantly to a large collection of photons by some process. What is
this process? ?Why does the photon energy reside in the RF band and not in the
optical or X-ray regions? ?In addition, energetic particles are
Thanks for the preprint Frank. Unfortunately some of the equations are
not visible, no doubt because I use a Mac.
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:08 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
However, I would like to know, based on your model, exactly which
kinds of atoms and how I need to arrange them in a solid
.
Perhaps all of these details will become clear. As for now they are hazy.
Frank Z
-Original Message-
From: fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fringe
However, I would like to know, based on your model, exactly which kinds of
However, I would like to know, based on your model, exactly which kinds of
atoms and how I need to arrange them in a solid or living cell to cause a
nuclear reaction to be initiated
?
Answer:? Construct an inverse Bose condensate of protons and vibrate that
condensate at a frequency determine
Well Frank, such ideas have value only when they show why and how most
observed behaviors occur and how to make the behavior occur more
consistently and at higher levels. All theories I know about met only
a small fraction of this requirement. If you can have better success
in this require
The theory has left the amateur level of ideas and entered the level of the
trained professional. This is also progress
Ed
So, individually, we stand almost no chance of contributing anything to cold
fusion, nor has any particularly practical way been conceived to power a
vehicle with it.(??!)
From: John Berry
> Jones, have you read my variable capacitor post, subject: On Topic in any
detail?
If so can I have your opinion on it? I think it was you that actually
identified the
patent co-invented by JLN?
Cannot comment on that now due to a contractual agreement, John - but would
To avoid making yourself ill with worry, let me add a bit of
optimism. Cold fusion has left the garage level of research and
entered the level of a well funded laboratory. This is progress. The
theory has left the amateur level of ideas and entered the level of
the trained professional. T
So, individually, we stand almost no chance of contributing anything to cold
fusion, nor has any particularly practical way been conceived to power a
vehicle with it.(??!)
Many of us have to worry about having any savings, job or retirement at all,
much less hundreds of thousands for a profes
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> John Berry wrote:
>
>
> I do not think a skilled amateur or professional can contribute anything to
> cold fusion without access to a fully equipped profession grade laboratory
> and hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment.
>
> - Jed
>
John Berry wrote:
> Piece of cake. The only thing preventing it is politics and lack of
>> knowledge.
>>
>
> I guess we have different opinions on how plausible a change of politics
> is, or for that matter getting the right knowledge to the right places.
>
I mean that technically making small s
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> John Berry (he who signs not his name) wrote:
>
>>
>> Cold Fusion is somewhat fringe, but as much respect as I have for Jed's
>> dedication I can not imagine either in a technological nor
>> political-business-economic way in which cold fusio
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> *From:* John Berry
> ... on the contrary, this is probably the "only" board on the net (one of
> the few, anyway), where there are enough open-minded scientists and serious
> thinkers to give these subjects a measure of due-diligence, yet w
John Berry (he who signs not his name) wrote:
>
> Cold Fusion is somewhat fringe, but as much respect as I have for Jed's
> dedication I can not imagine either in a technological nor
> political-business-economic way in which cold fusion would be what powers
> our houses or cars . . .
Piece of c
From: John Berry
> If I mention say "Orgone" or "Chi" I expect most here to indeed point and
> laugh, it is not that these things might not have some very real evidence and
> even prototypical theories to explain what they are [snip]
... on the contrary, this is probably the "only" boar
> I don't believe my reluctance is hard to explain, I simply don't expect to
> find most here very open minded. (and indeed my experience of people in
> general including scientists is that their beliefs are not changed by logic
> or evidence sometimes up to and even beyond something becoming pu
>From John Berry:
Excerpts:
...
> Ask yourself what are we here for?
...
> If I mention say "Orgone" or "Chi" I expect most here to indeed point and
> laugh, it is not that these things might not have some very real evidence
> and even prototypical theories to explain what they are, rather it
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