Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK Article (David Hambling)

Same report, cleansed of Rossi's references, for purposes of publication elsewhere. There has been steady progress in the world of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR), better known as Cold Fusion, in the last few months. The main commercial players have been quiet but the open-source Martin Fleis

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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The back side tracks could only be caused by neutrons, basically. And a > gold cathode, from their work, produces a lot more neutrons. This is very interesting. > You need to understand that the limit is not absolute. Hagelstein is n

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At 12:39 AM 9/17/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: You can play with ideas all you want. The information in the subject article from Defkalion is primitive, it's hard to tell what it means.

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On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: You can play with ideas all you want. The information in the subject > article from Defkalion is primitive, it's hard to tell what it means. Not > just in terms of implication, but in terms of what they actually did to > collect it. Read

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aol.com>dlrober...@aol.com> > To: <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:30:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article > To me 250 electron volts of energy in the form of electron projectiles > is incredibly small. The neutro

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At 09:00 PM 9/16/2012, Alan Fletcher wrote: > >> > From: "David Roberson" >> > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:30:21 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article >> > To me 250 electron volts of energy in the

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was specifically designed to create standard hot fusion. Yes, it's a vacuum tube but not what we were talking about. At 09:00 PM 9/16/2012, Alan Fletcher wrote: > From: "David Roberson" > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:30:21 PM > S

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At 08:26 PM 9/16/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: > That comment is a bit over my line. I think Abd's position is appropriate at > this point in time. Well, Jeff, I guess my emotions have gotten the better of me. How long have you been seekin

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I didn't mean to take a shot at you Terry. Answers to your three questions. How long? Not long (although I've followed the subject on and off since 1989) - no credentials here. Trying to deceive us? No. Incompetent people? No. I believe we do them a favor by being professionally skeptical and aski

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At 07:58 PM 9/16/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > It's simply the order in which the technician picked up and tested the > samples. The exact test method isn't given. From what Defkalion has said, > apparently, they ran at least 25 samples

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:59:46 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >I guess I am not sure how to give transmutation at low energy the respect it >might deserve. Your bringing it up again for discussion might help resolve >the issue. > It's not so difficult to accept, if y

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At 04:29 PM 9/16/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: [quoting Defkalion at http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1290] "XRF devises (sic), such the ones we use, label the measurements automatically per day, maintaining a sequential number. We perform such analysis in batches having

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I'm with you on that. However, this does not mean that they have nothing. In fact, the scenario that best fits the facts is that they seen excess heat in that range of COP= 1.5-2; which is significant in itself - but they are burdened with a flawed business plan which was built on the expectation

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> From: "David Roberson" > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:30:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article > To me 250 electron volts of energy in the form of electron projectiles > is incredibly small. The neutron generators that c

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Oh, one more question, how many think they (PDGTG) have employed incompetent people, who do not know what they are doing? Hands? T

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So, how many people here think Defkalion is trying to deceive us? Raise your hands. T

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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: > That comment is a bit over my line. I think Abd's position is appropriate at > this point in time. Well, Jeff, I guess my emotions have gotten the better of me. How long have you been seeking a solution to the world's energy problem? I a

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That comment is a bit over my line. I think Abd's position is appropriate at this point in time. Jeff On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > wrote: > > > It's simply the order in which the technician picked up and tested th

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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > It's simply the order in which the technician picked up and tested the > samples. The exact test method isn't given. From what Defkalion has said, > apparently, they ran at least 25 samples that day. > > There are a host of questions.

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At 04:14 PM 9/16/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:19:26 -0500: Hi, [snip] >1. They appear to be different samples. It is not stated that they >are the same reaction material, before and after. The analysis >numbers are "07/18/12 #25

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Okay, these are analysis numbers, not sample numbers, per se. This is not good control, by the way, but that's a different question. Samples should be labelled and then correlated with analysis. Now, what we know is that the two samples were analyzed on the same day. How long was this experim

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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, wrote: > In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:19:26 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] >>1. They appear to be different samples. It is not stated that they >>are the same reaction material, before and after. The analysis >>numbers are "07/18/12 #25

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In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:19:26 -0500: Hi, [snip] >1. They appear to be different samples. It is not stated that they >are the same reaction material, before and after. The analysis >numbers are "07/18/12 #25 " for the "before," and " 07/18/12 >#23" " f

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the ever-belaboring Mr. Bean himself! http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg00791.html Dig in!! -Mark Iverson From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:00 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article J

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] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:00 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article Jeff, you have pointed out some interesting papers that allowed me to reconsider the transmutation concept. Thus far I have placed most of these experiments in the same category as ghosts

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This might be of interest, for transmutation on an even larger scale: POWER LINE STUDIES I: LABORATORY AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS AND EXPERIMENTS RELATING RADIOACTIVITY AND ALTERNATING ELECTRIC AND/OR MAGNETIC FIELDS ... which is the documentation of transmutation products under high power lines. ht

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: vortex-l Cc: 'charlie barraclough' Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 12:47 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Wired UK article Moving from the vac tube end of the spectrum to larger sizes, there is scope for closer examination of heavy duty industrial processes. Welding R&D literature could be

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t up again for discussion might help resolve the issue. Dave -Original Message- From: Jeff Berkowitz To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 12:05 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article I'm old, so I'm old school. I'm not a physicist, just an experienced obser

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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:47 AM, John Newman wrote: > On the other hand, an ab initio fresh start on welding might commence with > experimentation using hyper-pure raw materials of species having a single > stable isotope, such as aluminium > (http://www.webelements.com/aluminium/isotopes.html f

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rom: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: 16 September 2012 02:39 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article At 06:41 PM 9/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: >I would be surprised if no one has done extensive research into these >transmuta

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ave > -Original Message----- > From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > To: vortex-l ; vortex-l > Sent: Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article > > At 06:41 PM 9/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: > >I would be surprised if no one has done extensive resea

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there are many more. Dave -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax To: vortex-l ; vortex-l Sent: Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article At 06:41 PM 9/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: >I would be surprised if no one has done extensive research into >

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At 06:41 PM 9/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: I would be surprised if no one has done extensive research into these transmutations. By now, they must have some idea as to how this happens or they lack curiosity. If this has been swept under the table over the years it makes one wonder how many

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At 12:26 PM 9/15/2012, Jones Beene wrote: Terry, The caveat of this is that it is mundane: all electrical discharges produce transmutation over time. That is the nature of QM tunneling. You can take any old triode from an old TV set - and apply the same type of XRF testing to the plates, and fi

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. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Jones Beene wrote: You can take any old triode from an old TV set - and apply the same type of XRF testing to the plates

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At 02:14 PM 9/15/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: The nuclear reaction reflected in this ash description seems to be a mix of complex fusion and fission nuclear reactions. Such a mix of reactions might

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At 12:40 AM 9/15/2012, Axil Axil wrote: We don't know whether NiH results are actually LENR, because we don't know what the ash is and therefore we don't know what the reaction is. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax and Jed Rothwell be advised that Defkalion has provided us with a comprehensive list of ash

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No, it doesn't address. There is just a list of elements that supposed transmuted, none of them with no error bars. Besides, what I want is to correlate the quantity of ash in time vs. output energy in time. This is the correlation. 2012/9/15 Axil Axil > > This reference: “The developing techno

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T Thanks, I need all the support can get! I have been more research on my theory, I think if the reaction is along the lines of my theory we should be looking for Extremely Low Frequency(ELF) Radiation or ULF(ultra) in the 0-5 Hz range generated from the anomalous heat effect. Which BTW is also

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenergytimes.com%2Fv2%2Farchives%2Ffic%2FJ%2FJNE1N3.PDF&ei=5NhUUJcDpuvSAYaRgMAD&usg=AFQjCNHLzO1yj1a8km7ia4txRjAaseKw_Q&sig2=GqC2L98oUVx6HKY5TpS9OQCoulomb This reference: “The developi

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On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Jones Beene wrote: You can take any old triode from an old TV set - and apply the same type of > XRF testing to the plates, and find boron plus a Cornucopia of transmuted > elements. Dozens! And in every single tube! Roy Hammack and others have > done > this. It

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The nuclear reaction reflected in this ash description seems to be a mix > of complex fusion and fission nuclear reactions. Such a mix of reactions > might be expected when the coulomb barrier is lowered in varying degrees > that range from sli

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No, they didn't. To be characterized as an ash proper, that is, as the main product of the reaction, it has to correlate with the output energy. They did't do that. 2012/9/15 Axil Axil > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax and Jed Rothwell be advised that Defkalion has > provided us with a comprehensive list of

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Significant power production from a LENR reactor might simply come down to the number of nuclear reactions that happen per unit of time. If Defkalion can generate 10^^23 reactions per second, even if each of these separate reactions only produce a relatively small power contributions, their total

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I think the stellar analogy holds the answer, Jones. But, it is not the normal star like Sol that we should study. It is white dwarfs and neutron stars. Negative resistance in magnetized plasmas has been known to exist for decades. So we know there is an energy source. Degenerate matter is for

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Terry, The caveat of this is that it is mundane: all electrical discharges produce transmutation over time. That is the nature of QM tunneling. You can take any old triode from an old TV set - and apply the same type of XRF testing to the plates, and find boron plus a Cornucopia of transmuted ele

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The first quoted sentence should be attributed to Abd. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Axil Axil wrote: >> We don't know whether NiH results are actually LENR, because we don't know >> what the ash is and therefore we don't know what the

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On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > We don't know whether NiH results are actually LENR, because we don't know > what the ash is and therefore we don't know what the reaction is. > > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax and Jed Rothwell be advised that Defkalion has provided > us with a comprehensi

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thanks for the data. anyway the results are much less replicated in volume than PdD electrolysis. However in Cold fusion, based on the huge LENr evidence with PdD, we should maybe stop treating LENR as fringe science, doubting of any even reputed scientist results... there are many claimed result

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*We don't know whether NiH results are actually LENR, because we don't know what the ash is and therefore we don't know what the reaction is.* Abd ul-Rahman Lomax and Jed Rothwell be advised that Defkalion has provided us with a comprehensive list of ash products that resulted from the long term o

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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > http://www.wired.co.uk/news/**archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion >> > > With friends like this, who needs enemies? > > . . . 1. NiH reactions are not scientifically established. The article > does distinguis

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At 12:26 PM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Cold fusion: smoke and mirrors, or raising a head of steam? http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion With friends like this, who needs enemies? The article does, at least, pay some attention to developments, but: 1. NiH reacti