Yarko, on reflection my post was not so clear, it is true. However,
IMO the central point here should be about rudeness rather than
clarity. You imply that it is correct to be rude about something
misunderstood, but I think you are wrong about that.
In any case, whether you are wrong or not,
On Mar 8, 6:37 am, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote:
Yarko, on reflection my post was not so clear, it is true. However,
IMO the central point here should be about rudeness rather than
clarity.
I appreciate this move on your part towards civility - ultimately, we
can only be responsible for
Convince PHP users that Python is easier than PHP
I totally agree with that comment. Trying to convince Django people is
not good use of time/resources - they already have a quite good
framework and have largely made a conscious choice to use it after
evaluating other solutions.
Better to go
thanks for going to the effort of creating the survey
On Mar 2, 1:12 pm, Wobmofo muito...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a very interesting Pylons page on
branding:http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscommunity/Brand+Strategy+Notes
There is one thing I haven't understood (if a native english
On Mar 6, 6:45 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe you have a relevant coherent point. But damned if I know what it is.
Suffice it to say, I am surprised you would be so rude and indignant
about your difficulty in understanding plain English and recognising
the extraordinary
John,
What do you constitute as a Big Money Making Project?
I work for a fairly large company, we use web2py for internal uses.
These internal applications generate the company millions of dollars a
year in savings by automating aspects of the business. You don't think
web2py is used in Serious
Maybe you have a relevant coherent point. But damned if I know what it is.
Suffice it to say, I am surprised you would be so rude and indignant
about your difficulty in understanding plain English and recognising
the extraordinary capabilities of your free 'prototyping' tool, and I
wish you
A) Web2py is not popular, as evidenced by PyCon.
As I argued that is not a good measure of popularity.
Using google trends I estimate we have passed TG and CherryPy as
popularity.
C) Massimo appears angst ridden by the non inclusion of web2py at
PyCon to a desired level. Regrettably this
I said:
... one thing's for sure, [multi-billion orporations] are not
evolving at our pace, and most of us are streets behind Massimo!
You said:
Feel good statements that most of us are streets behind Massimo
is frankly impractical and unhelpful. Nor do I like the implication
that somehow I
I would like to add one data point.
I do own a software company (http://metacryption.com) but I always
kept web2py separated from it.
I own the trademark and copyright on web2py, not Metacryption.
Metacryption provides consulting services on web2py and sells long
term support contracts. This has
Maybe you have a relevant coherent point. But damned if I know what it
is.
John Heenan
On Mar 5, 9:45 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote:
I said:
... one thing's for sure, [multi-billion orporations] are not
evolving at our pace, and most of us are streets behind Massimo!
You said:
Sorry Massimo, you sound like an unconvincing PR department in damage
control taking its audience for idiots. It is almost enough to make me
want to move away from Web2py.
A lot of us would feel a lot safer if there was at least one well
known project using Web2py that generates a lot of money.
LOL. No I am not a good salesman and proud of that. ;-)
Anyway...
Do you see any technical reason why Django or Pylons would be better
than web2py for production sites other than size of their communities
at the time they have been around?
Is it true that the Pylons community is larger than the
well actually, for example their irc rooms on freenode are around 80+
people from ours. but turbogears is always around 50 people.
On 6 Mart, 02:24, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote:
LOL. No I am not a good salesman and proud of that. ;-)
Anyway...
Do you see any technical reason why
My 2 cents:
- The road to success for web2py is more / better doc and more /
better apps, whether private or public.
- John Heenan is correct in stating that web2py will only be
successful if, long term, there is support for its development and
enhancement by more than Massimo. I believe there is
What designates a success though?
Something open source, that is better than wordpress, or trac, or
insert other open source project out there currently written in
another language?
Or something written in a corporate environment that can't be released
or even anything shared about it due to
A brand must outlast individuals. As such Web2py is not a recognised
and accepted brand.
Web2py is exclusively managed by a single academic who gets uptight
about issues that are not relevant to Web2py and for which the time he
puts into Web2py does not provide him with significant financial or
Hi John
I'm sure that many of us are grateful for your own contributions with
slices etc and realise that you wouldn't be making them if you didn't
see any future; that wouldn't make any sense at all, so your comments
are probably a little tongue in cheek.
Similarly if you thought that Pycon was
The question here is how do we get more people know and use web2py. is
it releasing some widely used and mostly needed applications developed
with web2py? or a big web site that is developed with web2py? as far
as i know django doesn't power, for example a social network that is
widely used. but
We need to be realistic. Not well meaning.
Feel good statements that most of us are streets behind Massimo is
frankly impractical and unhelpful. Nor do I like the implication that
somehow I am 'not behind Massimo'. Also the multi billion company I
was referring to as an example of the has nothing
Here is the results (from only 11 responses):
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tKCyJuTYjVuWHWNFyPcZ51wsingle=truegid=0output=html
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewanalytics?formkey=dEtDeUp1VFlqVnVXSFdORnlQY1o1MXc6MA
In summary :
web2py is THE EASY web framework
django people don't like
Some of the answers are funny. Mostly they are consistent with one
exception.
Perhaps a web2py hat is better than a t-shirt. I lost mine last
summer. :-(
On Mar 3, 10:10 am, Wobmofo muito...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the results (from only 11 responses):
On Mar 4, 2:17 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote:
Some of the answers are funny. Mostly they are consistent with one
exception.
Perhaps a web2py hat is better than a t-shirt. I lost mine last
summer. :-(
Rather flippant given that someone has gone to some effort to set up a
survey
I think that was the goal of this survey was to find out where web2py
is currently in the minds of the community and those using it, and
then where do we actually want to be.
We can't dial a Stargate unless we know the point of origin!
-Thadeus
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:23 PM, John Heenan
John,
There are things that I agree with you and there are things that I
disagree with you. For example if PyCon participants are interested in
Django and not in web2py, isn't this for Django's popularity? If so,
how come the concern over popularity is uncomfortable? When selecting
a framework, I
On Mar 3, 7:23 pm, John Heenan johnmhee...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 4, 2:17 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote:
Some of the answers are funny. Mostly they are consistent with one
exception.
Perhaps a web2py hat is better than a t-shirt. I lost mine last
summer. :-(
Rather
I tend to agree with what has been mentioned in the past. Concentrate
on building good web apps and websites using web2py. Let the work
speak for itself.
All we need is one or two big successes...
On Mar 3, 7:02 pm, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote:
On Mar 3, 7:23 pm, John Heenan
When will you be releasing the results?
-Thadeus
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:29 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote:
+1
On Mar 1, 8:12 pm, Wobmofo muito...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a very interesting Pylons page on
In a few days, I wait till it got more responses (it got very little
so far).
On Mar 2, 5:36 pm, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote:
When will you be releasing the results?
-Thadeus
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:29 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote:
+1
On Mar 1, 8:12 pm,
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On Mar 1, 8:12 pm, Wobmofo muito...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a very interesting Pylons page on
branding:http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscommunity/Brand+Strategy+Notes
There is one thing I haven't understood (if a native english speaker
could explain me) : Externalisation : How you
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