Sorry for the late reply on this; sometimes life takes presedence :)
Doug, you definitely hit a number of things on the head, there. There is a
_definite_ need for some much more...shall we say, mature network platforms
in the wireless industry, and then for that equipment to be available at
af
Does anyone know how well this is penetrating areas with lots of trees?
I would guess a few trees would knock this out just as easily as it does
2.4 GHz Wifi? Thoughts?
Scriv
Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
I'm not going to get into an enormous amount of detail, but I know a
well-known licensed 2.5ghz
Hey Charles,
I tried contacting you off list, but got a reply from your filter
application. Just making sure you got my email.
Best,
Brad
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2.3 and 2.5 GHz will be attenuated by trees in the same manner as 2.4
GHz is attenuated.
4.9 GHz will be attenuated by trees much more completely than 2.4 GHz
and almost as completely as 5.8 GHz.
By the way (food for thought) 700 MHz in the presence of trees will
behave about the way 900 MHz
I'm not going to get into an enormous amount of detail, but I know a
well-known licensed 2.5ghz NLOS provider, has a maximum NLOS range around
their towers of about 3-4 miles (with indoor units). That said, the
Sprint-Nextel spectrum is very unlikely to be available on independent
lease, and you w
Does anyone cover...looking for T1 (or possibly better) level service
909 Avenue T, Suite 200
Grand Prairie, TX 75050
Ping me offlist
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Mac said:
I failed to state that he would need his own router behind their router - - I
took for granted we all knew that - - guess I figured wrong again :-)
Actually, all you need is one router to interconnect your network to
your upstream's network. You do not need a router from them i
Most of my coverage area is open fields, so there isn't much to making a link
work.
I have an increasing demand to install an AP in a small town (no point within
town is further than 1/2 mile away from the tower site). I prefer to use 5 GHz
due to the amount of spectrum available. An article
Mike,
Good to go as long as the TV towers allow you to get the CPE antennas
above the trees.
jack
Mike Hammett wrote:
Most of my coverage area is open fields, so there isn't much to making a link
work.
I have an increasing demand to install an AP in a small town (no point within
town is
I have a 5 mile link where I'm not quite sure if the antenna is above the
trees or not as it is on top of a mast. That link is on the better side
of -80 for almost 2 years. Based on that I'd think I'd be okay at a half
mile or less. I figured that with most of the town at better than -60 and
I do! CCNA here :)
On 6/22/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mac said:
>I failed to state that he would need his own router behind their router -
- I took for granted we all knew that - - guess I figured wrong again :-)
>
>
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Actually, all you need is one router to interconnect
It works much like 900Mhz, in other words, you never REALLY know until
you put the link up ;) I know that is not what you wanted to hear but
honestly I have had links, both 2.4 and 5Ghz that I have said no way
on, but they have worked quite well, and I have had others that for no
apparent rea
Single AP in the center with an omni might work although we have had
pretty poor luck getting them to work well in the usual L shaped motels
we have. If price is a serious issue you could always start with the
omni setup and see how well it works I would just be prepared to switch
to a multiple
Do you have a part number from Tessco?
Travis
Microserv
Matt Liotta wrote:
Kelly Shaw wrote:
We are having a time with our radio pigtails.
As some of you may know, the Trango pigtails (RP-SMA) leave a lot to be
desired. The small connector at the radio is very hard to water
proof and,
for
Could you provide some sort of numbers? How much loss does that 1/4 mile of
water-retaining trees have?
The town is basically a square with the tower on the far west side in about
the center. It is 1/2 mile to the extreme corners, so there are a lot of
people 1/4 mile and less.
Someone on
I am putting together a quote for an older motel. They want to provide
wireless access for their customers. The build is a big curving L or
almost U with a set of rooms in the middle. It is all one story but the
rise in elevation as it curves around. The rooms are your typical glass
front, open wal
I have two towers running MT APs at 5.8 with CM9s and 16 dBi horiz
sectors. Using Osbridge 5GXi's as the CPE, I have clients a few miles
out with non-LOS and the occasional treeline without any issues.
I also have one house about 3/4 mile away from my tower that's going
through nearly 1/4 mile o
Gentlemen: The IEEE 1159 Power Quality Standard for
Commercial & Industrial applications a good standard
to help avoid downtime due to power outages, sags,
surges, and related. Search Google for :IEEE1159.1.
IEEE1159.2, IEEE1159.3 and IEC 61000-4-30 for
standard which provide the methodology for
No one talks of the type of trees. We've noticed getting through a line of
poplars, adjust antenna size, not much of a problem. But one pine tree, or
a well placed ash, near impossible. Maybe the pine needles attenuate more
because they are thin and in all directions thus absorbing all reflection
MIke/WiSPA readers - Here two studies in the public
domain published by the US NTIA and study from the
Univ. of Texas.(It would be handy to put a table
together for WiSP operators just like the ohm
resistance tables are done for electrical
contractors).
¡§Radio Propagation Considerations...¡¨
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I agree, I am just looking for some experienced opinions to start with.
Mark McElvy
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I wouldn't think
Kinds? um...I know coniferous vs. deciduous and a couple different
kinds of deciduous, but that's about it... Maple, crab apple, locust,
that's about it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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The CPE is a LiteStation5 running OSWave firmware (stock LS5 firmware
did not work with Routing/Nat/DHCP), in a 23 dBi ARC Wireless antenna.
The trees around here (NE Dallas area) are some pine, oak, pecan, locust, etc.
Right now the trees are a little damp from a ton of rain the past few
days.
I wouldn't think one a/p would be the way to cover it. User will moan and
complain if they get a weak signal. You really want to concentrate on
getting 105% coverage to avoid the phone ringing off the hook.
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oh, I rarely can see the AP on the other side, but a quick glance at The
Dude shows a good majority of the links are better than -70. Heck, I have a
10 mile link where I have no idea where the AP is, but it pulls -75.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Mark: The professional RF Planning software is good
for large designs. There is also freeware available
and I will let the cat out of the bag.
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html
Radio Mobile software is a copyright of Roger
Coud?VE2DBE. Radio Mobile is dedicated to amateur
radio and humanita
Thanks for all the comments
I'm surprised that none of the Wi-Hype...(opps! :) ), I mean Wi-Max
people have not jumped in here
The 1Mbit speed requirement is a killer. I could likely convince them
that 128Kbit/512Kbit would be fine for what they are doing.
I'm leaning toward somet
Felix,
With all due respect, the Radio Mobile "cat" has been "out of the bag"
for many (perhaps 5) years.
Thank you for your useful tree-attenuation information in your other post.
Regards,
jack
Felix A. Lopez wrote:
Mark: The professional RF Planning software is good
for la
Blair,
No real surprise that all the Wi-Hype folks have not jumped in here.
This list is primarily populated by folks who utilize license-free
spectrum as opposed to licensed spectrum -
well, for point-to-multipoint anyway. More WISPs are using licensed
backhauls each day.
AFAIK, we have not
Let me chime in here. It will also depend on the equipment you are using. I
can state that I have seen many instances of Canopy not working because of
trees yet Alvarion will work just fine at 5 GHz. The OFDM has proven to work
quite will through trees.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmappi
Tow things
I suspect...being a paranoid type...that I might be one you are thinking
of with that "hype" comment Blair? If so, I've said nothing re WiMAX
because I have nothing to add. I did forward your note to our manager
for those parts.
On the WiMAX hype thing:
A) I've never hyped...I've
Charles,
That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume
the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a
year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more
links u
Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the
person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was
based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.
-Matt
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Charles,
Patrick,
I targeted NO individual with my Wi-Hype post
I just remember the comments about 30 miles NLoS on 3.6GHz. But I
don't remember who all was claiming that.
If you have a product that can do what I want, CALL ME!
As I said before, I don't care what tech or if it is licensed or
un
It seems to me that a mesh product would be just the ticket in a motel.
Then again I have never done a motel. :)
-m-
Jack Unger wrote:
Felix,
With all due respect, the Radio Mobile "cat" has been "out of the bag"
for many (perhaps 5) years.
Thank you for your useful tree-attenuation info
Without meaning to be disrespectful...
Maybe you have a waterproofing method problem?
We have not had to replace one Trango pigtail in 7 years.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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We buy our pigtails, made from Shiren, allrfcables.com.
Rock solid.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:44 PM
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Open access never will come close to replacing, a carrier's ability to share
the spectrum with their own gear or own their spectrum.
I don't want to support anything that gives a fake sense of security for
competition.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Michael Erskine wrote:
It seems that we are all quite busy, John.
I want to comment and agree with your sentiment if I may.
This list is a *professional* list. People's politics are irrelevant
and people who can not separate politics from their profession are
immature socially.
Just tongue
Matt Liotta wrote:
I will say it is in line with what most
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.
-Matt
And that price is?
:)
George
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We have had MANY pigtail failures... mostly from Hyperlink cables. Ends
coming off while hand-tightening, center pins falling out, cables
failing after a year, etc.
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Without meaning to be disrespectful...
Maybe you have a waterproofing method problem?
We hav
Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)
Travis
Microserv
That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?
Gino A. Villarini
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No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango
and Dragonwave.
Travis
Microserv
Gino Villarini wrote:
That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?
Gino A. Villarini
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So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe
Gino A. Villarini
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Not sure... but Dragonwave's PoE is not "standard" PoE... you have to
purchase their expensive, proprietary cables with the radios... so if
you are running a new cable, why not just run LMR400 and not ever have
to worry about it again?
Travis
Microserv
Gino Villarini wrote:
So basically the
I was kinda thinking a mesh product also, any brand recommendations? I
kinda looked over Tranzeo.
Mark McElvy
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I use RM for my first look at my regular customer links. I would not
have thought to use it in such a situation.
Mark McElvy
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Modeling indicates that this little "high density" design is probably
just the ticket for you application.
Michael Erskine
Kaballero.Com
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Mark,. Because you asked specifically: We used the
Motorola Canopy, Motorola Orthogon, and Moto Mesh
products. I worked with my WiSP parnter listed below.
WE installed a combination mesh neetwork and fixed
wireless system including utility metering. I had
them to go through mesh trainnig, and g
Alan Cain wrote:
Michael Erskine wrote:
It seems that we are all quite busy, John.
I want to comment and agree with your sentiment if I may.
This list is a *professional* list. People's politics are irrelevant
and people who can not separate politics from their profession are
immature socia
LOL
Mike, this is "try it and see what happens" territory.
marlon
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Mike,
Good to go as long as the TV towers allow you to
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