Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Chuck Bartosch
John, Is this with diversity antennas? Chuck On Apr 23, 2009, at 4:41 PM, John Scrivner wrote: > I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being > referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and > frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis, One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of 15mbps each. What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels? Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz) 15-18mbps sectors max? At the conference today (State

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I he

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
>From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Not according to them. I spoke on a panel at a mobility conference in DC today with Clearwire. >From what I understand, they are planning to replace all pre-wimax gear in 49 markets, with 802.16e mobile gear. I asked, will they expand to new markets first, or convert their network? and the answe

Re: [WISPA] NJ tripods

2009-04-23 Thread sa...@jeffcosoho.com
Kewl, looks like Site Pro has the ones we need. Thanx Jim lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > Site Pro on LI. Hutton as was stated prior. Tessco is just North of Baltimore > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "sa...@jeffcosoho.com" > > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 200

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread Scott Reed
I had a residence lose a bunch of stuff to lightning including our radio and power supply. They asked for an invoice to submit to the insurance. When the insurance didn't pay, I canceled the invoice. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: > We've not had any losses like this, but we ask the customer t

Re: [WISPA] NJ tripods

2009-04-23 Thread lakeland
Site Pro on LI. Hutton as was stated prior. Tessco is just North of Baltimore Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "sa...@jeffcosoho.com" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:56:47 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NJ tripods We have a project in NJ that requi

Re: [WISPA] NJ tripods

2009-04-23 Thread 3-dB Networks
Hutton has a warehouse in North Brunswick... not sure how far away that is... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of sa...@jeffcosoho.com >Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009

[WISPA] NJ tripods

2009-04-23 Thread sa...@jeffcosoho.com
We have a project in NJ that requires 15-18 non-pen tripods. They need to be able to handle 2' dishes and sectors with a 10' pole. Anybody in that area know where I can buy them locally around Ocean City or Atlantic City? Thanx Jim --

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Nope... all private money. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Government investment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread George Rogato
I don't think this hurts anyone. Nobody hardly knows about this and there is lots of lawsuites. One of my customers has been sued twice now because she owns an elder care facility that caters to alzhiemers and dimensia folks who's family can no longer care for them. Both suites are My Mother die

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Scott Carullo
to explain... Would you rather have clearwire move into your service area with a million dollars for advertising and $35 service or would you rather have them in the news as a shoddy company... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Scott

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Scott Carullo
I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "David E. Smith" > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service,

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread David E. Smith
Scott Carullo wrote: > Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a "take the > investors money and run" mission You have an interesting definition of "good news." Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see "wireless =

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Well, most of the customer base... there are always a few ryan Josh Luthman wrote: > All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that, > too. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Josh Luthman
All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, S

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Steve Barnes
This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Government investment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Yup and the next one (not

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 5

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Scott Carullo
Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a "take the investors money and run" mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM > To: "WISPA General L

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread John Scrivner
I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly a quarter mile radius can get our 3650 WiMax service regardless of terrain and obstacles in the way. It w

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Jerry Richardson
I predict Clearwire will implode before the end of the year. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Thursday, April 23, 20

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say "it works" and you wouldn't

Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009

[WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs

2009-04-23 Thread David E. Smith
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread Blake Bowers
While you could get the value of the equipment more than likely, getting the balance of the contract would be a real trick. Most contracts include a catasrophic incident clause, and even if they don't no judge is going to give you the balance of the contract in a lawsuit. You would end up looking

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread reader
We've not had any losses like this, but we ask the customer to claim the equipment on insurance, in case of catastrophic loss, and we'll invoice them for that equipment to claim from the insurance. As far as the contract for the service goes, we would never dream of trying to force payment on t

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread Josh Luthman
What we would do is send a statement for the last 6 months and the equipment we lost (due to their fire). The customer would send that into their insurance policy along with tons of other things for them to claim. Happens with lightning at hotels, too. Zaps the entire building - TVs, lamps, HVAC

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread David E. Smith
Lists wrote: > Am I owed the balance of the contract? Am I owed the cost of my equipment? Technically, you almost certainly are owed both. I'd suggest you talk with them (or their insurance adjuster) about this. Shouldn't be too hard to get reimbursed for the radio, but you may have to 'eat' t

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Having been through a fire myself, if the equipment wasn't that expensive, just let it go. Let them know you feel for their loss and ask them if there is anything you can do to help. The good will it generates is worth more than the money you'll get. Also, most contracts have a clause that says

Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread Matt Liotta
On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Lists wrote: > Am I owed the balance of the contract? Am I owed the cost of my > equipment? > Yes and yes assuming there is no provision in the contract why that would not be the case. Since the customer owes you for the service and the equipment if they destro

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Kevin Suitor
There are different constraints. In 5 GHz PTP mode we can easily deal with 20 mile+ links due to EiRP limits, but in PMP typically we see most clients within 1 - 2 km of the sector. In 3.65 GHz PMP applications we have EiRP limitations and more importantly typical deployment limitations due to

[WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread Lists
We have a business customer that is about six months into their one year agreement. Yesterday they had a fire that gutted their entire building, including their rooftop with our equipment. The customer may or may not go back into business and if they do they may or may not be in our servi

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I can do almost 20 km with 5 GHz, why can't I with 3650? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John Scrivner" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 365

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Matt Liotta
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > That was a PR from June 2008 Matt, when few vendors even had certified > product in the market for more than a month or two. Further, Manish is > not even here any longer. I joined, first as a full time consultant, > in > October 22, 2008. Ch

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Matt Liotta
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Matt, you said you needed to provide a reason why you did not suggest > Aperto. Would it not be preferrable to provide a real reason, not > something that is based on a weak deduction, e.g. Aperto issues few > PRs > so they must not do any bu

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Kevin, You are correct or due a public apology. Please accept my apology for the comment regarding cash position of Redline. I and any long time players in this business know Redline to be one of the good guys in this business. They have been leaders in a number of things and have earned the re

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread 3-dB Networks
Just saying it does work... not saying I'd recommend it ;-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Patrick Leary >Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:52 AM >To: WISPA Gene

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread John Scrivner
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone > thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's > stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for > three days it is so fl

Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
even simpler.. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*:

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for three days it is so flat and the sun always shines and the wind is always at your back

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Patrick Leary
That was a PR from June 2008 Matt, when few vendors even had certified product in the market for more than a month or two. Further, Manish is not even here any longer. I joined, first as a full time consultant, in October 22, 2008. Check out PRs since September when the new CEO, Brian, joined. Th

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Matt, you said you needed to provide a reason why you did not suggest Aperto. Would it not be preferrable to provide a real reason, not something that is based on a weak deduction, e.g. Aperto issues few PRs so they must not do any business? We are not nearly so large as my friends at Alvarion to

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Any operator making a technology partner decision on any part of the network (wireless or otherwise) needs to access the health of the potential partner. That should be SOP, not just something done in passing. If you are making real investments, you need to know if your supplier is viable in the ve

[WISPA] handheld site survey tool ?

2009-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Does anyone know of a site survey tool that will work for 802.11g on 10mhz channels? I am currently using an IPAQ with a senao PCMCIA card but that is 802.11B only and I am migrating to 802.11g/10mhz channels. I was looking some of at the Berkeley handheld units but they do not say anything about

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 23:32 -0700, George Rogato wrote: > Maybe for you Butch, but I am thinking this was a very useful and > informative thread and I hate to see someone stifled because of one mans > disdain. Which part of the argument was "useful"? The specific parts of the conversation that

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Ben Wiechman
I'd love to contribute more, however our experience really lies in 2.5GHz, which has a completely different power output profile than you get in the unlicensed bands, or 3650 so you're going to see a corresponding decrease in cell size and modulation levels as the power output decreases and noise f

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Matt Liotta
You are not going to get the answers you are seeking. Worse still anyone who tries to give you those answers is either uninformed or lying. As I stated several posts ago, you need to have a thorough understanding of the equipment, have conducting extensive field trials, and produced a busin

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Ben Wiechman
lol Good to hear. Simple fix: get different CPE. :) On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Booher wrote: > FYI Ben, we are finally fixing ( or fixed ) that issue with running as a > service and now have > A version for oracle. Sorry tranzeo is 00gly :) > > > > -Original Message- > From: w

Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-23 Thread Alan Long
The 2 circuits will be ethernet feeds, one is a wireless backhaul to my main pop, and the other will be a fiber handoff from another provider. Both in the 10-20mb/s range for spped of circuit. The fiber will be the primary feed. As for laod balancing, it will ne nat. I think now after looking at ou

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Kevin Suitor
Folks, I was offline yesterday so didn't see this thread until this morning. I cannot sit on my hands and not answer this libelous statement about Redline. Here are the facts: - the company is very well backed by a group of blue chip private equity investors including Matrix, USVP and GF Equi

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Michael Baird
Do you have any coverage plots? When I started the other thread, I was really looking for the technical merit's, more then the cost benefits or political arguments. I'm interested 802.16d vs 802.16e, some say 16e is the greatest, some say 16d is the best, what are the technical reasons behind w

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread 3-dB Networks
John, My boss has field tested Aperto's gear to 15miles at full modulation... so a 30km cell radius (18 miles) is possible. But the thing is that wouldn't be the average deployment... and with Cyclone gear you could push the system out that far too (because its going to be line of sight, and the

Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors

2009-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
I would argue slightly different 1) There are some that think the technology is really cool, because they read the spec sheet, but also think it is over priced, so therefore never deploy it, and never really know. EVerything you read about WiMax is exciting from a tech perspective. 2) Th

Re: [WISPA] room jack switch / AP

2009-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Teletronics make a pretty cool system to do that. But think it might be RG6 fed (cable TV) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] room

Re: [WISPA] fiber termination

2009-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
We have found $60 per strand per side termination to be market rate. However, we use Corning's no polish system, and it takes 15 minutes per strand end, if you aren't real good at it, and the connector is $15. The cost to termianting fiber, is when you mess up.SCrew up a connector, and you just

Re: [WISPA] fiber termination

2009-04-23 Thread George Rogato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tnh0V81pLk&NR=1 Takes the voodoo black magic away from fiber termination. So easy a caveman can do it. George George Rogato wrote: > We just terminated some fiber we put in. Used hot melt and hand polished > the the fiber. > It took no more than an hour to do 6 s