Not sure about load balancing, as for policy routing, thats easy. We do
that with a bsd box.
I would assume all the routers, imagestream, MT, Star, Cisco, etc etc.
can handle various wans with policy routing. We just haven't done our
router upgrade yet and handle ours on an older bsd box.
Butch Evans wrote:
This thread has degraded WAY beyond useful.
Maybe for you Butch, but I am thinking this was a very useful and
informative thread and I hate to see someone stifled because of one mans
disdain.
We should all be able to discuss and hash things out without worrying we
are
We just terminated some fiber we put in. Used hot melt and hand polished
the the fiber.
It took no more than an hour to do 6 strands on each end. Maube 1 1/2 hour.
Not sure which connectors you are using, but those can be expensive as
well. I think we must have paid about 15.00 per connctor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tnh0V81pLkNR=1
Takes the voodoo black magic away from fiber termination.
So easy a caveman can do it.
George
George Rogato wrote:
We just terminated some fiber we put in. Used hot melt and hand polished
the the fiber.
It took no more than an hour to do 6
We have found $60 per strand per side termination to be market rate.
However, we use Corning's no polish system, and it takes 15 minutes per
strand end, if you aren't real good at it, and the connector is $15.
The cost to termianting fiber, is when you mess up.SCrew up a connector,
and you just
Teletronics make a pretty cool system to do that.
But think it might be RG6 fed (cable TV)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 21,
I would argue slightly different
1) There are some that think the technology is really cool, because they
read the spec sheet, but also think it is over priced, so therefore never
deploy it, and never really know. EVerything you read about WiMax is
exciting from a tech perspective.
2)
John,
My boss has field tested Aperto's gear to 15miles at full modulation... so a
30km cell radius (18 miles) is possible.
But the thing is that wouldn't be the average deployment... and with Cyclone
gear you could push the system out that far too (because its going to be
line of sight, and the
Do you have any coverage plots? When I started the other thread, I was
really looking for the technical merit's, more then the cost benefits or
political arguments. I'm interested 802.16d vs 802.16e, some say 16e is
the greatest, some say 16d is the best, what are the technical reasons
behind
The 2 circuits will be ethernet feeds, one is a wireless backhaul to my main
pop, and the other will be a fiber handoff from another provider. Both in
the 10-20mb/s range for spped of circuit. The fiber will be the primary
feed.
As for laod balancing, it will ne nat. I think now after looking at
lol Good to hear. Simple fix: get different CPE. :)
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote:
FYI Ben, we are finally fixing ( or fixed ) that issue with running as a
service and now have
A version for oracle. Sorry tranzeo is 00gly :)
-Original
You are not going to get the answers you are seeking. Worse still
anyone who tries to give you those answers is either uninformed or
lying. As I stated several posts ago, you need to have a thorough
understanding of the equipment, have conducting extensive field
trials, and produced a
I'd love to contribute more, however our experience really lies in 2.5GHz,
which has a completely different power output profile than you get in the
unlicensed bands, or 3650 so you're going to see a corresponding decrease in
cell size and modulation levels as the power output decreases and noise
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 23:32 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
Maybe for you Butch, but I am thinking this was a very useful and
informative thread and I hate to see someone stifled because of one mans
disdain.
Which part of the argument was useful? The specific parts of the
conversation that I
Does anyone know of a site survey tool that will work for 802.11g on 10mhz
channels? I am currently using an IPAQ with a senao PCMCIA card but that is
802.11B only and I am migrating to 802.11g/10mhz channels. I was looking
some of at the Berkeley handheld units but they do not say anything
Any operator making a technology partner decision on any part of the
network (wireless or otherwise) needs to access the health of the
potential partner. That should be SOP, not just something done in
passing. If you are making real investments, you need to know if your
supplier is viable in the
Matt, you said you needed to provide a reason why you did not suggest
Aperto. Would it not be preferrable to provide a real reason, not
something that is based on a weak deduction, e.g. Aperto issues few PRs
so they must not do any business?
We are not nearly so large as my friends at Alvarion to
That was a PR from June 2008 Matt, when few vendors even had certified
product in the market for more than a month or two. Further, Manish is
not even here any longer. I joined, first as a full time consultant, in
October 22, 2008. Check out PRs since September when the new CEO, Brian,
joined.
Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for
three days it is so flat and the sun always shines and the wind is
always at your
even simpler..
* ---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote:
Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone
thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's
stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for
three
Just saying it does work... not saying I'd recommend it ;-)
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:52 AM
To: WISPA General
Kevin,
You are correct or due a public apology. Please accept my apology for the
comment regarding cash position of Redline. I and any long time players in this
business know Redline to be one of the good guys in this business. They have
been leaders in a number of things and have earned the
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
Matt, you said you needed to provide a reason why you did not suggest
Aperto. Would it not be preferrable to provide a real reason, not
something that is based on a weak deduction, e.g. Aperto issues few
PRs
so they must not do any
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
That was a PR from June 2008 Matt, when few vendors even had certified
product in the market for more than a month or two. Further, Manish is
not even here any longer. I joined, first as a full time consultant,
in
October 22, 2008. Check
I can do almost 20 km with 5 GHz, why can't I with 3650?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
We have a business customer that is about six months into their one year
agreement. Yesterday they had a fire that gutted their entire building,
including their rooftop with our equipment.
The customer may or may not go back into business and if they do they may or
may not be in our
There are different constraints. In 5 GHz PTP mode we can easily deal
with 20 mile+ links due to EiRP limits, but in PMP typically we see most
clients within 1 - 2 km of the sector.
In 3.65 GHz PMP applications we have EiRP limitations and more
importantly typical deployment limitations due to
On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Lists wrote:
Am I owed the balance of the contract? Am I owed the cost of my
equipment?
Yes and yes assuming there is no provision in the contract why that
would not be the case. Since the customer owes you for the service and
the equipment if they destroy
Having been through a fire myself, if the equipment wasn't that
expensive, just let it go. Let them know you feel for their loss and
ask them if there is anything you can do to help. The good will it
generates is worth more than the money you'll get.
Also, most contracts have a clause that says
Lists wrote:
Am I owed the balance of the contract? Am I owed the cost of my equipment?
Technically, you almost certainly are owed both. I'd suggest you talk
with them (or their insurance adjuster) about this. Shouldn't be too
hard to get reimbursed for the radio, but you may have to 'eat'
What we would do is send a statement for the last 6 months and the equipment
we lost (due to their fire). The customer would send that into their
insurance policy along with tons of other things for them to claim.
Happens with lightning at hotels, too. Zaps the entire building - TVs,
lamps,
We've not had any losses like this, but we ask the customer to claim the
equipment on insurance, in case of catastrophic loss, and we'll invoice them
for that equipment to claim from the insurance.
As far as the contract for the service goes, we would never dream of trying
to force payment on
While you could get the value of the equipment more than
likely, getting the balance of the contract would be a real
trick.
Most contracts include a catasrophic incident clause, and
even if they don't no judge is going to give you the balance
of the contract in a lawsuit. You would end up
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php
Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for
false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their
service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem;
consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often
Clearwire isn't always on?
I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009
Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the
day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a
tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your
window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't
I predict Clearwire will implode before the end of the year.
__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
Sent: Thursday, April 23,
Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL.
Could it..?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe
I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being
referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and
frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly a quarter
mile radius can get our 3650 WiMax service regardless of terrain and
obstacles in the way. It
Wireless AOL lol
Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the
investors money and run mission
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM
Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also
called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money
like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on
the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover
a city of
Government investment?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
Yup and the
This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to
purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our
industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of
you who are large and able to do it right. As a small
All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that,
too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM,
Well, most of the customer base... there are always a few
ryan
Josh Luthman wrote:
All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that,
too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't
Scott Carullo wrote:
Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the
investors money and run mission
You have an interesting definition of good news.
Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an
industry source) will just see wireless =
I disagree with your assessment but to each his own...
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being
to explain... Would you rather have clearwire move into your service area
with a million dollars for advertising and $35 service or would you rather
have them in the news as a shoddy company...
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Scott
I don't think this hurts anyone. Nobody hardly knows about this and
there is lots of lawsuites.
One of my customers has been sued twice now because she owns an elder
care facility that caters to alzhiemers and dimensia folks who's family
can no longer care for them.
Both suites are My Mother
Nope... all private money.
Travis
Josh Luthman wrote:
Government investment?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at
We have a project in NJ that requires 15-18 non-pen tripods. They need
to be able to handle 2' dishes and sectors with a 10' pole.
Anybody in that area know where I can buy them locally around Ocean City
or Atlantic City?
Thanx
Jim
Hutton has a warehouse in North Brunswick... not sure how far away that
is...
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@jeffcosoho.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009
Site Pro on LI. Hutton as was stated prior. Tessco is just North of Baltimore
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:56:47
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] NJ tripods
I had a residence lose a bunch of stuff to lightning including our radio
and power supply. They asked for an invoice to submit to the insurance.
When the insurance didn't pay, I canceled the invoice.
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
We've not had any losses like this, but we ask the customer
Kewl, looks like Site Pro has the ones we need.
Thanx
Jim
lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
Site Pro on LI. Hutton as was stated prior. Tessco is just North of Baltimore
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: sa...@jeffcosoho.com sa...@jeffcosoho.com
Date:
Not according to them. I spoke on a panel at a mobility conference in DC
today with Clearwire.
From what I understand, they are planning to replace all pre-wimax gear in
49 markets, with 802.16e mobile gear.
I asked, will they expand to new markets first, or convert their network?
and the
From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network.
The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those
50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL
providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up.
They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to
roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their
customers. I
Travis,
One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of
15mbps each.
What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels?
Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz)
15-18mbps sectors max?
At the conference today (State
John,
Is this with diversity antennas?
Chuck
On Apr 23, 2009, at 4:41 PM, John Scrivner wrote:
I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being
referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and
frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly a
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