Terrence Wood wrote:
if you are using the w3c validator, try the advanced settings and
validate against the css3 profile. Which is where your selector comes
from, see: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-css3-selectors-2003/
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css3&uri=http%3A//wall
if you are using the w3c validator, try the advanced settings and
validate against the css3 profile. Which is where your selector comes
from, see: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-css3-selectors-2003/
Terrence Wood.
Ben Hamilton wrote:
The CSS file:
http://wallishamilton.com/code/screen.css
does
I've tried what Amit has suggested, but the main problem is that I get a
CSS validation error.
Files are here:
http://wallishamilton.com/code/amit-1.html
http://wallishamilton.com/code/amit-1.css
These probably better demonstrate the vailidation issue (less
surrounding clutter).
How can I use
duh me.
OK... I agree with you Mike =)
Terrence Wood.
russ - maxdesign wrote:
I agree with your thinking Russ... web standards are a means to an end
not the end itself. They represent a philosophy, framework or tool set.
Jut to clarify, that email was sent by me on behalf of Mike Brown, who is
exp
a[href^="mailto:";] {
background: transparent url('path/to/aemail.gif') 100% 50% no-repeat;
padding-right: 10px;
}
div.content a[href^="http:"] {
background: transparent url('path/to/aoutside.gif') 100% 50% no-repeat;
padding-right: 10px;
}
div.content a[href^="http://yourwebsite.com";],
div.cont
I think with things like this the KISS principle comes to mind... or if you
prefer:
"Be Semantic - Not Pedantic"
:o)
R
- Original Message -
From: "James Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: [WSG] markup for postal addresses?
Try
address { display: block; color: etc... }
R :o)
- Original Message -
From: "James Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: [WSG] markup for postal addresses?
Hi all
I'm trying to put together some markup for a postal
I got annoyed with links not being what I expected. And started to
figure a way to let people know where links on my site are going to take
them by using CSS to put an icon after the hyperlink, dependant upon
it's type.
The results, at this stage, are here:
http://wallishamilton.com/code/ext-li
> I agree with your thinking Russ... web standards are a means to an end
> not the end itself. They represent a philosophy, framework or tool set.
Jut to clarify, that email was sent by me on behalf of Mike Brown, who is
experiencing email issues. Sorry for any confusion.
Russ
***
See this discsussion on the SimpleQuiz:
http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/08/04/sq.html
Lots of idea/opinions
Glenn
James Ellis wrote:
Hi all
I'm trying to put together some markup for a postal address:
Cosmo Kramer
123 Example St
Somewhere
Country ZIP
I've thought of an unordered list and
I agree with your thinking Russ... web standards are a means to an end
not the end itself. They represent a philosophy, framework or tool set.
So instead of talking about the business case for web standards, you
(royal you) need to talk about the benefits of a design proposal as it
applies to t
Hi all
I'm trying to put together some markup for a postal address:
Cosmo Kramer
123 Example St
Somewhere
Country ZIP
I've thought of an unordered list and a definition list .
Does anyone have any ideas on the correct markup?
Cheers
James
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-
Email sent on behalf of Mike Brown - Wellington WSG organiser
-
ok, Darren
firstly you need to move to Wellington rather than Australia. :) We have
close to 60 people who've RSVP-ed for the first Wellington WSG meet
whoops... meant to hit save as draft... forget the business case stuff,
I was getting off-topic.
Terrence Wood.
On 2004-12-07 5:37 PM, Terrence Wood wrote:
The business case for both providers and customers of implementing
standards design is so strong that any other option seems foolhardy by
c
I'm glad to hear you are so passionate about web standards Darren.
I think it's fair to say that NZ is a little behind in it's
implementation of standards design, but it is improving. Without going
into too much detail there are a few areas that affect this:
1. Teaching institutions have appalli
You can never go wrong with a little black dress... err.. I mean a bold
navy blue suit?
Looking forward to WSG meetings here in windy Chicago. ;-)
regards,
Zulema
· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Z u l e m a O r t i z
W e b D e s i g n e r
email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
website : http://zoblue.com
At 03:41 AM 12/7/2004 +, you wrote:
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
If you try and validate anything towards the standards at Bobby (which is
the measurement my clients in the public sector uses) there is no way you
can get around the redundancy, if you only do onclick it gives you an
error at level
Justin French wrote:
If I were you, I'd stop "complaining" and get in there!
you are 100% correct.
Sorry for the white noise, people.
(btw - I do feel better after that little rant...)
**
The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
See
Darren Wood wrote:
I
get _very_ depressed when i see high profile[1] new zealand sites
completely drop the ball[2]...
A few months back (maybe even a year) the NZ government released web
guidelines for all their websites.[3]
I think it's about 2 years old now. I was on the working group i
Darren Wood wrote:
I
get _very_ depressed when i see high profile[1] new zealand sites
completely drop the ball[2]...
A few months back (maybe even a year) the NZ government released web
guidelines for all their websites.[3]
I think it's about 2 years old now. I was on the working g
On 07/12/2004, at 2:19 PM, Darren Wood wrote:
I get _very_ depressed when i see high profile[1] new zealand sites
completely drop the ball[2]...
I'm guessing there's an equal percentage of Australian sites who
neglect standards. I don't think it's a NZ-specific issue, and nor do
I think "us Auss
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
If you try and validate anything towards the standards at Bobby (which
is the measurement my clients in the public sector uses) there is no way
you can get around the redundancy, if you only do onclick it gives you
an error at level 2, that is what I mean with unforgiving.
Hi Darren
Just joined the list a couple of hours ago...Anyway, our main site -
www.mch.govt.nz - is quite close to getting there - though not yet
perfect (what is?) it generally validates and does all that stuff. We're
in the process of doing a major redesign which will be very much
standards-dri
On 7 Dec 2004, at 2:19 PM, Darren Wood wrote:
I get _very_ depressed when i see high profile[1] new zealand sites
completely drop the ball[2]...
So, jump in with irresistable proposals for redevelopment, and plan on
retiring early!
N
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Omnivision. Websight.
http://www.om
At 02:28 AM 12/7/2004 +, you wrote:
However, the WAI is not as forgiving and this is a device-dependent
attribute, where redundant input methods are required for the same
element. There are five instances where WAI gives us no choice but to use
redundancy:
I find it interesting how you refer
This may be completely off topic, but I feel I should rant to you lot as
you all share my views...
I've noticed quite a few kiwis on this list, and that is *awesome*! It
means more standards based design and development in our fair land...or
so you'd think.
I get _very_ depressed when i see high p
Ben,
John has just posted an interesting piece about this...
http://westciv.typepad.com/standards/2004/11/another_way_of_.html
Actually it was Maxine :-) And it is a good little discussion of the
practical issues
John
John Allsopp
:: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/
Felix Miata wrote:
>
> > >Fresh meat: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20041206.html
>
> > Yes, but only 605 respondents?! Yikes, that's a small sample. Nielsen's
>
> I bet you'd never find a random sample that size that proves the
> converse.
>
> >
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
and if the goal was only XHTML compliance
I would agree with you to 100% on the issue of not using onkeypress for
the reason above.
I actually never mentioned anything about XHTML validation in my
original reply, but yes.
However, the WAI is not as forgiving and this is a
Thanks everyone, that works a treat :)
-Original Message-
From: info
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 11:13 AM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE View
Browsercam is a great screenshot tool:
http://www.browsercam.com/
Or if absolutely desperate, I can send you screenshots of Ma
At 11:54 PM 12/6/2004 +, you wrote:
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
Well, my link was given for XHTML Strict, in where my solution is the
only way to both make sure it is to the greatest extent accessible as
well as validating the code.
Let me explain a little more;
You missed my point completely: kee
Browsercam is a great screenshot tool:
http://www.browsercam.com/
Or if absolutely desperate, I can send you screenshots of Mac IE in action,
but don't tell anyone :)
Russ
> Hi list,
>
> Is there a program or browser extension you recommend that I can use to see
> what
> my pages will look l
browsercam http://www.browsercam.com/default.aspx pretty cheap and quick if
you don't have a friend with a mac.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of ROBYN BALL
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:46 AM
To: wsg
Subject: [WSG] IE View
Hi list,
I
Faux Columns: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:52:16 -0600, Aaron Holbrook
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm wondering if anyone has had a chance to look over my problem:
>
> http://143.226.165.202/other/aitp
> Really looking forward to some help.
>
> Aaron H
Hey everyone,
I really thought this would be a simple question. Thank you for all of the
information. It's great to work with people, like you, that are more
interested in putting together good information for the masses than the
schlocky drivel that was the meat and potatoes of the internet
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
Well, my link was given for XHTML Strict, in where my solution is the
only way to both make sure it is to the greatest extent accessible as
well as validating the code.
Let me explain a little more;
You missed my point completely: keep the onclick, but ditch the onkeypress
I'm wondering if anyone has had a chance to look over my problem:
http://143.226.165.202/other/aitp
Really looking forward to some help.
Aaron Holbrook
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:58:48 -0600, Aaron Holbrook
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone, first time for me to ask for you all to check
Paul Novitski wrote:
> At 11:11 AM 12/6/04, Felix Miata wrote:
> >Fresh meat: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20041206.html
> Yes, but only 605 respondents?! Yikes, that's a small sample. Nielsen's
I bet you'd never find a random sample that size that prov
Hi list,
Is there a program or browser extension you recommend that I can use to see what
my pages will look like on IE on Mac. (I use Firefox generally) Or is the best
test to find someone with a mac to send screen shots?
Regards,
Robyn
-Original Message-
From: info
Sent: Tuesday, 7 D
I just gave the leftnav div a height to take it below the bottom of the
screen
Site: http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com
CSS: http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com/stylesheets/styles.css
http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com/stylesheets/default.css
http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com/
Can you remove the content that is there so we can see the problem?
All your pages have content, so I cannot see the problem you are describing.
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:11:31 +1100, Natalie Buxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Seems you have added content since posting this?
>
> Can you post
With all due respect, and this is nothing personal guys, can this type of
discussion be kept off list please? It serves no purpose trying to publicly
prove your point and it's a bit negative. emails like this really should be
sent directly to eachother and are not really helpful to list members.
a
I llengthened the leftnav div to below the window. IE still obviously
doesn't show the main content area until it gets actual content though which
seems very jerky. Is this the norm?
_
SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click he
Seems you have added content since posting this?
Can you post a link to the CSS also?
Ta.
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:00:16 +, Steven Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At a site I'm working on (still)
>
> http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com
>
> when I open pages in Opera or Firefox there
Paul Novitski wrote:
You can find an excellent introduction to scripting events on
Peter-Paul Koch's http://www.quirksmode.org/
Another excellant resource is Unobtrusive Javascript
(http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/)
**
At a site I'm working on (still)
http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com
when I open pages in Opera or Firefox there is no problem. But when I open
them in IE 6 the main content area of the page, having no content yet, is
small. So you see a shortened page, the height of the left nav bar in fact.
Interesting solution you have come up with here, however, thinking
validation versus functionality here, this is the same idea of a
'catch-all' handling, however, I am not sure that your script linked
to this can give both on-click and on key press to the user can it?
If so I would love to see
On 6/12/04 9:31 PM, "Mordechai Peller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Time to call a truce?
>>
> I am unwilling to change my view as I've seen no reason to do so; in
> fact, I believe even more strongly now in what I'm saying that I did
> when this discussion began. If you want to leave it at
At 07:51 AM 12/7/2004 +1100, you wrote:
Just use target="_blank" and use my DTD which is modified to allow the
target="_blank"
http://www.neester.com/DTD/xhtml-target.dtd";>
One of the more resourceful ways of getting around the problem with
target="new" that I have seen, however since it's not
Paul Novitski wrote:
At 11:11 AM 12/6/04, Felix Miata wrote:
Fresh meat: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20041206.html
Yes, but only 605 respondents?! Yikes, that's a small sample.
Nielsen's results, satisfying as they are to one allergic to
commercialism, would carry more weight if
At 10:59 AM 12/6/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Aside, while it may be convenient to embed javascript in HTML tags by way
of illustration, let me reiterate the oft-made point that doing so in
practice is a mistake, for at least these two reasons:
1) User agents that don't support the scripting language
At 06:03 PM 12/6/2004 +, you wrote:
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
Whatever.com
*Don't* use onkeypress, as Mozilla browsers - and rightly so - treat a TAB as
a keypress as well. Using onkeypress makes it impossible for users to TAB
beyond
that particular link. Onclick is, despite its name, device inde
Well, I thought it was over, so I didn't send this link. But, since it's not quite, here's a link to several others that might interest some...
http://user-experience.org/uefiles/breadcrumbs/
Best regards,
Marilyn Langfeld
http://www.langfeldesigns.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1.301.598.3300 business
Just use target="_blank" and use my DTD which is modified to allow the
target="_blank"
http://www.neester.com/DTD/xhtml-target.dtd";>
Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
Ted Drake wrote:
Could someone give me the appropriate replacement for
target="_blank". I can't remember the correct javascript statem
unless, of course, you are using a DTD that doesn't include
target="_blank", such as XHTML 1.0 strict or XHTML > 1.0.
On 2004-12-07 8:07 AM, Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
Rather than a replacement it's best to include both,
popup
This is so older browsers, and search engines, can follow popup links,
Wednesday 08 December, 2004
Brisbane, Australia December Meeting
"Now and Zen" - CSS, the reality and the fantasy.
http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event20.cfm
Thursday 09 December, 2004
Wellington New Zealand WSG meeting
Introduction to WSG, Web standards in practice
http://webstandardsgroup.org/g
Mordechai, I too enjoy splitting hairs. I hope no one objects to my
chiming in.
Breadcrumbs are a construct without a solid definition, from which I
think much disagreement arises. Typically, they reflect the notional
path to a page (the "path" according to where the user believes
themselves t
At 11:11 AM 12/6/04, Felix Miata wrote:
Fresh meat: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20041206.html
Yes, but only 605 respondents?! Yikes, that's a small sample. Nielsen's
results, satisfying as they are to one allergic to commercialism, would
carry more weight if the sample
Fresh meat: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20041206.html
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"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me."John 14:6 NIV
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Ted Drake wrote:
Could someone give me the appropriate replacement for target="_blank". I can't
remember the correct javascript statement that opens it in a new window.
I'm sure others could use it as well.
Rather than a replacement it's best to include both,
popup
This is so older browsers, and s
At 10:11 AM 12/6/04, Ted Drake wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the (this.href) code. Should I replace that with the
page in the href="" section or is it looking back at the href and use that url?
-Original Message-
From: Veine K Vikberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whatever.com
The keyword 'th
At 10:03 AM 12/6/04, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
*Don't* use onkeypress, as Mozilla browsers - and rightly so - treat a TAB as
a keypress as well. Using onkeypress makes it impossible for users to TAB
beyond
that particular link.
Isn't it true that, if one did use onkeypress, the attached event handl
I'm a bit confused by the (this.href) code. Should I replace that with the page
in the href="" section or is it looking back at the href and use that url?
I understand the repetition for keypress/onclick are for those without a mouse
and those with a mouse. n'est-ce pas?
Ted
-Original Mes
Veine K Vikberg wrote:
Whatever.com
*Don't* use onkeypress, as Mozilla browsers - and rightly so - treat a
TAB as
a keypress as well. Using onkeypress makes it impossible for users to
TAB beyond
that particular link. Onclick is, despite its name, device independent,
as the vast
majority of brows
Whatever.com
HTH
~Veine
At 09:28 AM 12/6/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Could someone give me the appropriate replacement for target="_blank". I
can't remember the correct javascript statement that opens it in a new window.
I'm sure others could use it as well.
Thank you
Ted Drake
Web Content Editor
C
use window.open .
Ted Drake wrote:
Could someone give me the appropriate replacement for target="_blank". I can't
remember the correct javascript statement that opens it in a new window.
I'm sure others could use it as well.
Thank you
Ted Drake
Web Content Editor
CSA Travel Protection
http://www.c
Could someone give me the appropriate replacement for target="_blank". I can't
remember the correct javascript statement that opens it in a new window.
I'm sure others could use it as well.
Thank you
Ted Drake
Web Content Editor
CSA Travel Protection
http://www.csatravelprotection.com
***
Hi everyone, first time for me to ask for you all to check a site for
me, but I'm sure it won't be the last.
I believe it renders fine in most browsers, except one flaw (advice
would be MOST welcome):
I have no clue how to get the navbar to render fully - if there is
more content than navigation l
Patrick Lauke wrote:
...and discussing the finer points of semantics in a markup language as coarse
and unsuitable as HTML ends up being a tad futile
Futile? Perhaps sometimes. Though I must admit, when there is a good
reason to do so (what's a "good reason" is admittedly subjective) I find
spli
Kevin Futter wrote:
"Less important" doesn't mean "not important."
Exactly, which is why I didn't say "not important" ...
...which is a reason why it is unlike a sentence. The words of a
sentence need their organization within the sentence to be useful.
You can slice it and dice it however y
Ok, settle in for a lot of light reading. It's been a busy week!
Solving CSS problems for Mozilla Europe
http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2004/11/21/solving-css-problems-mozil
la-europe/
Turning the tables using CSS:
http://www.apple.com/pro/words/meyer/
Accessibility on a shoe-string:
htt
> From: Natalie Buxton
> This discussion has finally convinced me that breadcrumb trails should
> not be marked up as lists.
>
> Without the entire path, it doesn't matter where the actual href goes.
>
> For instance: I tell a user that the file they want is in the folder
> "widgets". They go l
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