More than one H1 on a page: good or bad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM
On 20/10/2009, at 1:09 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:
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Hi all,
The conversation has been great, but we are now heading into heated
discussion and direct attacks - which is unacceptable. Please remain
On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Fagan wrote:
Agree with pretty much everything below.
There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a
H1but there seems to be no compelling reason not to.
Quite a number of my clients have taglines in their logos, and often
times,
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On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Fagan wrote:
Agree with pretty much everything below.
There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1but
there seems to be no compelling reason not to.
Quite a number of my clients have taglines in their logos
On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote:
No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on
every
page.
My point wasn't arguing that someone said it's wrong to t include a
tagline on every page. It's more about this: in some situations, logo
use in the
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of tee
Sent: 19 October 2009 20:32
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote:
No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on
every page.
My point wasn't arguing
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No?
A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't
know anything about semantic markup :)
tee,
thry this on for size. from the w3c html elements about what
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Agree with pretty much everything below.
There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1but
there seems to be no compelling reason not to.
I'm probably swaying towards not wrapping the logo in a H1 any moreI
doubt it will have much effect on SEO anyway.
One final
Hi Christian,
Google also use table layout for their pages, inline styles, don't use
labels with input fields and so on.
The fact that they use H1 around the logo just shows that they don't require
SEO work. ;-)
So your mention of Google using H1 around the logo does not illustrate
anything.
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Thanks for all your responsesI didn't expect this topic to be so
clouded.
For me and this particular site I'm working on, the problem still
remainswhile Jason's article is well written, it doesn't use any
*governing body (eg. W3C/Google) references* as basis for it's
conclusions...it
Once again I have to come back to this great thread - one of the best
discussions in the long time on this mailing list:
- BBC uses H1 on the logo on the home page, but around the article title
on article specific page (e.g.
view-source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8312126.stm)
Oh yes, and let's not forget that Google isn't the only search engine on the
planet too. :-)
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote:
Once again I have to come back to this great thread - one of the best
discussions in the long time on this mailing list:
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12:18
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
Thanks for all your responsesI didn't expect this topic to be so
clouded.
For me and this particular site I'm working on, the problem still
remainswhile Jason's article is well written, it doesn't use any
...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
Behalf Of *Christian Fagan
*Sent:* 17 October 2009 12:18
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
Thanks for all your responsesI didn't expect this topic to be so
clouded.
For me and this particular site I'm working on, the problem still
remains
Very interesting discussion on a point that often causes controversy.
Here is my 2c for what its worth:
The use of a single H1 per _page_ on a site comes from a mixture of
IA, semantics, Accessibility and Usability with a nod to the history
of publishing.
I consider the notion of
This is an argument which never seems to go away.
Unfortunately the HTML 4 spec
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 confuses things a
little by referring to the relative importance of different heading levels,
rather than their structural function. Nevertheless, it also
If semantics and SEO are paramount, and typography is too, could you make an
H2 which is the same size etc for the 'other' uses of H1? That way, your
structure/appearance would be intact, and the SEO considerations satisfied??
Is that undesirable for any reason?
Bob
- Original Message
Ollie you are threading a dangerous ground there. Explained here why you are
wrong:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
Thanks,
Jason
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Oliver Boermans
Hey all,
Am I the only one who is getting these messages directly sent to their deleted
items? Please can you take the out of office bit out of the subject lines? I
am sure there are others like me who have filters set up to automatically
delete out of office messages.
It's also a bit ironic
Jason,
Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is
advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make
sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses
mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google.
The video
EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that
you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given
page. Every
site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on
first page of Google.
My formula, hence, does not only say
up the pages,
and has a similar effect for screen readers.
Hope this makes it a little clearer.
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one
other content within the page, but certainly not the logo.
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From: EBS Admin ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Okay so the justify
: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo
is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's
brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that.
I would potentially agree with you if you were
2009 15:45
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo
is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's
brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting
No but you can wrap MiniClip - Providers of Miniature Clips for Business.
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:00
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
That's only
for Business.
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*From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
Behalf Of *Jason Grant
*Sent:* 16 October 2009 16:00
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
That's only relevant if your site has
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of EBS Admin
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:52
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1
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T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of EBS Admin
Sent: 16 October 2009 15:52
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
The way to wrap
Gaspar wrote:
This problem will be solved, I hope, with the use of section and
header in HTML5.
Indeed, in HTML5 the meaning of h1-6 is 'headings for the sections with
which they are associated' - multiple h1 elements in a page is not a
problem:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/h1.html
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Darren Lovelock
Sent: 16 October 2009 16:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam filters
Of *Darren Lovelock
*Sent:* 16 October 2009 16:33
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1?
To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam
filters in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout
the website
2009/10/16 Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com:
Ollie you are threading a dangerous ground there.
Explained here why you are
wrong: http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/semantic-uses-of-h1-h2-h6-html-tags/
Good link for this thread Jason. Although I don’t understand why the
company name would be
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