Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Erik Trimble
On 11/26/2010 1:11 PM, Krunal Desai wrote: What about powering the X25-E by an external power source, one that is also solid-state and backed by a UPS? In my experience, smaller power supplies tend to be much more reliable than typical ATX supplies. I don't think the different PSU would be an

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > > > > In fact, I recently got one of these Samsung drives... > > http://tinyurl.com/38s3ac3 > > The spec sheet says sequential read 220MB/s, sequential write 120MB/s... > > Which is 2-4 times faster than the best SATA disk out t

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Orvar Korvar
A noob question: These drives that people talk about, can you use them as a system disc too? Install Solaris 11 Express on them? Or can you only use them as a L2ARC or Zil? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-di

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Christopher George
> I haven't had a chance to test a Vertex 2 PRO against my 2 EX, and I'd > be interested if anyone else has. I recently presented at the OpenStorage Summit 2010 and compared exactly the three devices you mention in your post (Vertex 2 EX, Vertex 2 Pro, and the DDRdrive X1) as ZIL Accelerators. J

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Christopher George wrote: > > I haven't had a chance to test a Vertex 2 PRO against my 2 EX, and I'd > > be interested if anyone else has. > > I recently presented at the OpenStorage Summit 2010 and compared > exactly the three devices you mention in your post (Ver

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Marc Nicholas
That's a great deck, Chris. -marc Sent from my iPhone On 2010-11-27, at 10:34 AM, Christopher George wrote: >> I haven't had a chance to test a Vertex 2 PRO against my 2 EX, and I'd >> be interested if anyone else has. > > I recently presented at the OpenStorage Summit 2010 and compared > ex

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Orvar Korvar < knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com> wrote: > A noob question: > > These drives that people talk about, can you use them as a system disc too? > Install Solaris 11 Express on them? Or can you only use them as a L2ARC or > Zil? > -- > > They're a standard

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 01:19:50PM -0600, Tim Cook wrote: > They're a standard SATA hard drive. You can use them for whatever you'd > like. For the price though, they aren't really worth the money to buy just > to put your OS on. Your system drive on a Solaris system generally doesn't > see en

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Orvar Korvar
"Your system drive on a Solaris system generally doesn't see enough I/O activity to require the kind of IOPS you can get out of most modern SSD's. " My system drive sees a lot of activity, to the degree everything is going slow. I have a SunRay that my girlfriend use, and I have 5-10 torrents go

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Christopher George
> Why would you disable TRIM on an SSD benchmark? Because ZFS does *not* support TRIM, so the benchmarks are configured to replicate actual ZIL Accelerator workloads. > If you're doing sustained high-IOPS workloads like that, the > back-end is going to fall over and die long before the hour time-

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Orvar Korvar < knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Your system drive on a Solaris system generally doesn't see enough I/O > activity to require the kind of IOPS you can get out of most modern SSD's. " > > My system drive sees a lot of activity, to the degree

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Christopher George wrote: > > Why would you disable TRIM on an SSD benchmark? > > Because ZFS does *not* support TRIM, so the benchmarks > are configured to replicate actual ZIL Accelerator workloads. > > > If you're doing sustained high-IOPS workloads like that, t

[zfs-discuss] ZFS iscsitgtd & backing store no such file or directory after reboot

2010-11-27 Thread Thierry Delaitre
Hello, A ZFS VDI related question. I'm exporting an iscsi share from a linux box which i'm mounting on a Solaris 10 VDI broker and subsequently used by the desktop providers. This is for a proof of concept. This works fine under VDI 3.2.1 until i reboot the VDI broker. After the broker rebo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Christopher George
> TRIM was putback in July... You're telling me it didn't make it into S11 > Express? Without top level ZFS TRIM support, SATA Framework (sata.c) support has no bearing on this discussion. Best regards, Christopher George Founder/CTO www.ddrdrive.com -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Chris Mosetick
A word of caution on the Silicon Image 3124. I have tested out a two extremely cheap card using the si3124 driver on b134 and OIb147. One card was PCI, the other PCI-X. I found that both are unusable until the driver is updated. Large'ish file transfers, say over 1GB would lock up the machine a

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Orvar Korvar
I am waiting for the next gen Intel SSD drives, G3. They are arriving very soon. And from what I can infer by reading here, I can use it without issues. Solaris will recognize the Intel SDD drive without any drivers needed, or whatever? Intel new SSD should work with Solaris 11 Express, yes? -

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Moazam Raja
Agreed, SSD with SandForce controllers are the only way to go. The controller makes a world of difference. -Moazam On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Orvar Korvar > wrote: >> >> "Your system drive on a Solaris system generally doesn't see e

Re: [zfs-discuss] OCZ RevoDrive ZFS support

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Orvar Korvar < knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am waiting for the next gen Intel SSD drives, G3. They are arriving very > soon. And from what I can infer by reading here, I can use it without > issues. Solaris will recognize the Intel SDD drive without a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Christopher George > > Jump to slide 37 for the write IOPS benchmarks: > > http://www.ddrdrive.com/zil_accelerator.pdf Anybody who designs or works with NAND (flash) at a low level knows it c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Christopher George
> Furthermore, I don't think "1 hour sustained" is a very accurate benchmark. > Most workloads are bursty in nature. The IOPS degradation is additive, the length of the first and second one hour sustained period is completely arbitrary. The take away from slides 1 and 2 is drive inactivity ha

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Erik Trimble
On 11/27/2010 6:50 PM, Christopher George wrote: Furthermore, I don't think "1 hour sustained" is a very accurate benchmark. Most workloads are bursty in nature. The IOPS degradation is additive, the length of the first and second one hour sustained period is completely arbitrary. The take away

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: > On 11/27/2010 6:50 PM, Christopher George wrote: > >> Furthermore, I don't think "1 hour sustained" is a very accurate >>> benchmark. >>> Most workloads are bursty in nature. >>> >> The IOPS degradation is additive, the length of the first and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Maurice R Volaski
>>TRIM was putback in July... You're telling me it didn't make it into S11 >Express? > >http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/onnv-notify/2010-July/012674.html It looks like this refers to the ability to use the TRIM command, but ZFS doesn't: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ext. UPS-backed SATA SSD ZIL?

2010-11-27 Thread Christopher George
> I'm doing compiles of the JDK, with a single backed ZFS system handing > the files for 20-30 clients, each trying to compile a 15 million-line > JDK at the same time. Very cool application! Can you share any metrics, such as the aggregate size of source files compiled and the size of the resu