Re: [zfs-discuss] encryption

2012-02-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 02/21/12 13:27, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: Darren J Moffat [mailto:darr...@opensolaris.org] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:46 PM GRUB2 has support for encrypted ZFS file systems already. I assume this requires a pre-boot password, right? Then I have two questions... The ZFS enc

Re: [zfs-discuss] encryption

2012-02-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Darren J Moffat [mailto:darr...@opensolaris.org] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:46 PM > > GRUB2 has support > for encrypted ZFS file systems already. I assume this requires a pre-boot password, right? Then I have two questions... I noticed in solaris 11, when you "init 6" it doesn

Re: [zfs-discuss] encryption

2012-02-20 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 02/16/12 15:35, David Magda wrote: On Thu, February 16, 2012 09:55, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I've never used ZFS encryption. How does it work? Do you need to type in a pre-boot password? And if so, how do you do that with a server? Or does it use TPM or something similar, to avoid the nee

Re: [zfs-discuss] encryption

2012-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: David Magda [mailto:dma...@ee.ryerson.ca] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:35 AM > > On Thu, February 16, 2012 09:55, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > I've never used ZFS encryption. How does it work? Do you need to type in > > a pre-boot password? And if so, how do you do that with a

Re: [zfs-discuss] encryption

2012-02-16 Thread David Magda
On Thu, February 16, 2012 09:55, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > I've never used ZFS encryption. How does it work? Do you need to type in > a pre-boot password? And if so, how do you do that with a server? Or does > it use TPM or something similar, to avoid the need for a pre-boot password? Darren

[zfs-discuss] encryption

2012-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
I've never used ZFS encryption. How does it work? Do you need to type in a pre-boot password? And if so, how do you do that with a server? Or does it use TPM or something similar, to avoid the need for a pre-boot password? Thanks... ___ zfs-discu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-29 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Jun 27, 2011, at 17:16, Erik Trimble wrote: > >> Think about how things were done with the i386 and i387. That's what I'm= > after. With modern CPU buses like AMD & Intel support, plopping a "co-pro= >cessor" into another CPU socket would really, really help. > >Given the amount of transisto

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-29 Thread Paul Kraus
Thanks for this pointer ... I have been looking for a small (low power) "server" for a bit now and did not realize that HP had anything in the line below the ML-1xx. One of the reviews at the HP site note that the 5.25" media bay is IDE only (from a BIOS perspective), can you confirm or deny t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.[GPU acceleration of ZFS]

2011-06-29 Thread Fred Liu
> -Original Message- > From: David Magda [mailto:dma...@ee.ryerson.ca] > Sent: 星期二, 六月 28, 2011 10:41 > To: Fred Liu > Cc: Bill Sommerfeld; ZFS Discuss > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card > recommendations.[GPU acceleration of ZFS] > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-28 Thread Nomen Nescio
> All (Ultra)SPARC T2, T2+, and T3 CPUs should have these capabilities; if > you have some other CPU the capabilities are probably not present. Run > 'prtdiag | head -20' to see the CPUs on your system/s; run cryptoadm(1M) > with the "list" option (Solaris 10+) to see the software and hardware > p

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-28 Thread Andrew Gabriel
On 06/27/11 11:32 PM, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On 06/27/11 15:24, David Magda wrote: Given the amount of transistors that are available nowadays I think it'd be simpler to just create a series of SIMD instructions right in/on general CPUs, and skip the whole co-processor angle. see: http://en.wi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-28 Thread David Magda
On Tue, June 28, 2011 13:55, Fritz Wuehler wrote: >> Now compare that with the T-series stuff that also handles 3DES, RC4, >> RSA2048, DSA, DH, ECC, MD5, SHA1, SHA2, as well as a hardware RNG: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraSPARC_T2 >> http://blogs.oracle.com/BestPerf/entry/20100

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Nico Williams
On Jun 27, 2011 4:15 PM, "David Magda" wrote: > The (Ultra)SPARC T-series processors do, but to a certain extent it goes > against a CPU manufacturers best (financial) interest to provide this: > crypto is very CPU intensive using 'regular' instructions, so if you need > to do a lot of it, it woul

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Nico Williams
On Jun 27, 2011 9:24 PM, "David Magda" wrote: > AESNI is certain better than nothing, but RSA, SHA, and the RNG would be nice as well. It'd also be handy for ZFS crypto in addition to all the network IO stuff. The most important reason for AES-NI might be not performance but defeating side-channe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.[GPU acceleration of ZFS]

2011-06-27 Thread David Magda
On Jun 27, 2011, at 22:03, Fred Liu wrote: > FYI There is another thread named -- " GPU acceleration of ZFS" in this > list to discuss the possibility to utilize the power of GPGPU. > I posted here: In a similar vein I recently came across SSLShader: http://shader.kaist.edu/sslshader/

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.[GPU acceleration of ZFS]

2011-06-27 Thread Fred Liu
hink the OP might consider how best to add GPU support to the crypto framework. Chris ___ Thanks. Fred > -Original Message- > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread David Magda
On Jun 27, 2011, at 18:32, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On 06/27/11 15:24, David Magda wrote: >> Given the amount of transistors that are available nowadays I think >> it'd be simpler to just create a series of SIMD instructions right >> in/on general CPUs, and skip the whole co-processor angle. > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On 06/27/11 15:24, David Magda wrote: > Given the amount of transistors that are available nowadays I think > it'd be simpler to just create a series of SIMD instructions right > in/on general CPUs, and skip the whole co-processor angle. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set Prese

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread David Magda
On Jun 27, 2011, at 17:16, Erik Trimble wrote: > Think about how things were done with the i386 and i387. That's what I'm > after. With modern CPU buses like AMD & Intel support, plopping a > "co-processor" into another CPU socket would really, really help. Given the amount of transistors tha

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/27/2011 1:13 PM, David Magda wrote: On Mon, June 27, 2011 15:24, Erik Trimble wrote: [...] I'm always kind of surprised that there hasn't been a movement to create standardized crypto commands, like the various FP-specific commands that are part of MMX/SSE/etc. That way, most of this could

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread David Magda
On Mon, June 27, 2011 15:24, Erik Trimble wrote: [...] > I'm always kind of surprised that there hasn't been a movement to create > standardized crypto commands, like the various FP-specific commands that > are part of MMX/SSE/etc. That way, most of this could be done in > hardware seamlessly. Th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/27/2011 9:55 AM, Roberto Waltman wrote: I recently bought an HP Proliant Microserver for a home file server. ( pics and more here: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=20968192 ) I installed 5 1.5TB (5900 RPM) drives, upgraded the memory to 8GB, and installed Solaris 11 Express wit

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Nico Williams
IMO a faster processor with built-in AES and other crypto support is most likely to give you the most bang for your buck, particularly if you're using closed Solaris 11, as Solaris engineering is likely to add support for new crypto instructions faster than Illumos (but I don't really know enough a

[zfs-discuss] Encryption accelerator card recommendations.

2011-06-27 Thread Roberto Waltman
I recently bought an HP Proliant Microserver for a home file server. ( pics and more here: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=20968192 ) I installed 5 1.5TB (5900 RPM) drives, upgraded the memory to 8GB, and installed Solaris 11 Express without a hitch. A few simple tests using "dd"

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Peter Taps wrote: Any business that is dependent on zfs must plan for two things as a contingency: 1. Look for an alternative for zfs 2. Look for an alternative for OpenSolaris The existing OpenSolaris and zfs code bases are quite viable products today. If Oracle falter

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-14 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 01:06 -0700, Peter Taps wrote: > > Btw, if you want a commercially supported and maintained product, have > > you looked at NexentaStor? Regardless of what happens with OpenSolaris, > > we aren't going anywhere. (Full disclosure: I'm a Nexenta Systems > > employee. :-) > > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-14 Thread Peter Taps
> Btw, if you want a commercially supported and maintained product, have > you looked at NexentaStor? Regardless of what happens with OpenSolaris, > we aren't going anywhere. (Full disclosure: I'm a Nexenta Systems > employee. :-) > > -- Garrett Hi Garrett, I would like to know why you think Nex

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-13 Thread Linder, Doug
While we're on the topic, has anyone used ZFS much with Vormetric's encryption product? Any feedback? Doug Linder -- Learn more about Merchant Link at www.merchantlink.com. THIS MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL. This e-mail message and any attachments are proprietary and confidential inform

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Michael Johnson
Garrett wrote: >I don't know about ramifications (though I suspect that a broadening >error scope would decrease ZFS' ability to isolate and work around >problematic regions on the media), but one thing I do know. If you use >FreeBSD disk encryption below ZFS, then you won't be able able to import

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 12:55 -0700, Brandon High wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Garrett D'Amore > wrote: > Btw, if you want a commercially supported and maintained > product, have > you looked at NexentaStor? Regardless of what happens with > OpenSolaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Btw, if you want a commercially supported and maintained product, have > you looked at NexentaStor? Regardless of what happens with OpenSolaris, > we aren't going anywhere. (Full disclosure: I'm a Nexenta Systems > employee. :-) > I'm tr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 09:41 -0700, Michael Johnson wrote: > Nikola M wrote: > >Freddie Cash wrote: > >> You definitely want to do the ZFS bits from within FreeBSD. > >Why not using ZFS in OpenSolaris? At least it has most stable/tested > >implementation and also the newest one if needed? > > > I'

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Michael Johnson
Nikola M wrote: >Freddie Cash wrote: >> You definitely want to do the ZFS bits from within FreeBSD. >Why not using ZFS in OpenSolaris? At least it has most stable/tested >implementation and also the newest one if needed? I'd love to use OpenSolaris for exactly those reasons, but I'm wary of using

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash > > ZFS-FUSE is horribly unstable, That may be true. I couldn't say. > although that's more an indication of > the stability of the storage stack on Linux. But this, I take

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 11/07/2010 14:21 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk said the following: > > > > I'm planning on running FreeBSD in VirtualBox (with a Linux host) > and giving it raw disk access to four drives, which I plan to > configure a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-12 Thread Nikola M
Freddie Cash wrote: > You definitely want to do the ZFS bits from within FreeBSD. Why not using ZFS in OpenSolaris? At least it has most stable/tested implementation and also the newest one if needed? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-11 Thread Michael Johnson
on 11/07/2010 15:54 Andriy Gapon said the following: >on 11/07/2010 14:21 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk said the following: >> >> I'm planning on running FreeBSD in VirtualBox (with a Linux host) >> and giving it raw disk access to four drives, which I plan to >> configure as a raidz2 volume.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-11 Thread Ross Walker
On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: > ZFS-FUSE is horribly unstable, although that's more an indication of > the stability of the storage stack on Linux. Not really, more an indication of the pseudo-VFS layer implemented in fuse. Remember fuse provides it's own VFS API separate fro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-11 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> I'm planning on running FreeBSD in VirtualBox (with a Linux host) and giving >> it raw disk access to four drives, which I plan to configure as a raidz2 >> volume. > > Wouldn't it be better or just as good to use fuse-zfs for such a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-11 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
I'm planning on running FreeBSD in VirtualBox (with a Linux host) and giving it raw disk access to four drives, which I plan to configure as a raidz2 volume. Wouldn't it be better or just as good to use fuse-zfs for such a configuration? I/O from VirtualBox isn't really very good, but then

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-10 Thread Edho P Arief
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: > I'm planning on running FreeBSD in VirtualBox (with a Linux host) and giving > it raw disk access to four drives, which I plan to configure as a raidz2 > volume. > On top of that, I'm considering using encryption.  I understand that ZFS >

[zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-10 Thread Michael Johnson
I'm planning on running FreeBSD in VirtualBox (with a Linux host) and giving it raw disk access to four drives, which I plan to configure as a raidz2 volume. On top of that, I'm considering using encryption. I understand that ZFS doesn't yet natively support encryption, so my idea was to set e

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption

2009-12-10 Thread Darren J Moffat
Matthew Carras wrote: So far I'm using file container encryption using TrueCrypt on the client, but I would seriously like native encryption support on Solaris itself, especially in ZFS. From http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+zfs-crypto/ I see it's hopefully coming in Q1 2010? Ar

[zfs-discuss] Encryption

2009-12-10 Thread Matthew Carras
So far I'm using file container encryption using TrueCrypt on the client, but I would seriously like native encryption support on Solaris itself, especially in ZFS. From http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+zfs-crypto/ I see it's hopefully coming in Q1 2010? Are there any alternatives peopl

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption

2009-07-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Roger wrote: Hello, I am new to Solaris. Several PDFs out there suggest any of the following: a) Solaris comes with 128bit encryption (full filesystem) b) Solaris supports full root encryption. Can you send a pointer to these please, because the information is not correct and I would like to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption

2009-07-20 Thread David Magda
On Jul 20, 2009, at 15:54, Roger wrote: Several PDFs out there suggest any of the following: a) Solaris comes with 128bit encryption (full filesystem) b) Solaris supports full root encryption. Any truth to any of this? The company I work for tis mandating full root encryption. Part (a) is in-

[zfs-discuss] Encryption

2009-07-20 Thread Roger
Hello, I am new to Solaris. Several PDFs out there suggest any of the following: a) Solaris comes with 128bit encryption (full filesystem) b) Solaris supports full root encryption. Any truth to any of this? The company I work for tis mandating full root encryption. Thanks. -- This message posted

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption through compression?

2009-03-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
Monish Shah wrote: Hello Darren, Monish Shah wrote: Hello everyone, My understanding is that the ZFS crypto framework will not release until 2010. That is incorrect information, where did you get that from ? It was in Mike Shapiro's presentation at the Open Solaris Storage Summit that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption through compression?

2009-03-12 Thread Monish Shah
Hello Darren, Monish Shah wrote: Hello everyone, My understanding is that the ZFS crypto framework will not release until 2010. That is incorrect information, where did you get that from ? It was in Mike Shapiro's presentation at the Open Solaris Storage Summit that took place a couple

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption through compression?

2009-03-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
Monish Shah wrote: Hello everyone, My understanding is that the ZFS crypto framework will not release until 2010. That is incorrect information, where did you get that from ? > In light of that, I'm wondering if the following approach to encryption could make sense for some subset of users

[zfs-discuss] Encryption through compression?

2009-03-12 Thread Monish Shah
Hello everyone, My understanding is that the ZFS crypto framework will not release until 2010. In light of that, I'm wondering if the following approach to encryption could make sense for some subset of users: The idea is to use the compression framework to do both compression and encryptio

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption on ZFS / Disk Usage

2006-08-22 Thread Bill Moore
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 07:02:53PM +0200, Thomas Deutsch wrote: > >ZFS' RAIDZ1 uses one parity disk per RAIDZ set, similarly to RAID-5. > >ZFS' RAIDZ2 uses two parity disks per RAIDZ set. > > This means that RAIDZ2 allows problems with two disks? That's right. A third failure would cause data lo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption on ZFS / Disk Usage

2006-08-22 Thread Thomas Deutsch
Hi 2006/8/22, Constantin Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thomas Deutsch wrote: > I'm thinking about to change from Linux/Softwareraid to > OpenSolaris/ZFS. During this, I've got some (probably stupid) > questions: don't worry, there are no stupid questions :). > 1. Is ZFS able to encrypt all the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption on ZFS / Disk Usage

2006-08-22 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, Thomas Deutsch wrote: > Hi > > I'm thinking about to change from Linux/Softwareraid to > OpenSolaris/ZFS. During this, I've got some (probably stupid) > questions: don't worry, there are no stupid questions :). > 1. Is ZFS able to encrypt all the data? If yes: How safe is this > encryption?

[zfs-discuss] Encryption on ZFS / Disk Usage

2006-08-22 Thread Thomas Deutsch
Hi I'm thinking about to change from Linux/Softwareraid to OpenSolaris/ZFS. During this, I've got some (probably stupid) questions: 1. Is ZFS able to encrypt all the data? If yes: How safe is this encryption? I'm currently using dm-crypt on linux for doing this. 2. How big is the usable diskspa