e are the greatest in the world.
I hope that I am right about the list - I look forward to receiving the
first messages from you.
George Cobabe, CLU, ChFC
Ogden, Utah
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/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please re
utiful grandchildren. Currently on the Ogden University High Council
and
> >loving it. The kids you send to Weber State are the greatest in the
world.
> >
> >I hope that I am right about the
George has to be better looking, because Jim is definitely smarter. But to
tell you the truth if you have seen one Cobabe you will recognize the rest.
Just happy to be here and living off what I suspect is the good name of good
o'cousin Jim.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Be
NO - that is wrong - the wrong one is Wright! THAT is right!
Who's on second?
George
- Original Message -
From: "Chet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] New guy
>
> Stacy Smith wrote:
> > Not you. I'll take you any
Stacy - we know for sure. Jim is able to determine pretty close.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] New guy
> But you don't know for sure? Interesting.
>
> Stacy.
>
> A
Marc - would it be true to say that we LDS believe in a universal definition
of Godhood, and what is entailed in that high station, and see infinite
manifestations of that universal concept? What is "God" is a universal
constant that many, many are exalted to conform with?
If this is true - then
I can tell you all that Marc forgets nothing.
Cobabe is German for "to slay by removing the head" or executioner.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Re: New guy
I s
It ends up costing the Church again for that which they/we already paid for.
I hope that the good citizens of Salt Lake see the hypocrisy in the Mayors
action - but I do not hold out hope.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mo
Only if she was really good looking or very smart, but then most Cobabe
Coeds were both!
George
- Original Message -
From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Re: New guy
> Rick Mathis wrote:
> > But, Step
istic. Kind of like turning an adjective into a
noun. So
"God" became an abstract and separate existence "an und für sich" (in and of
itself, existentially speaking), which laid the ground for later apostate
notions
such as the God without body, parts or passions.
George
Thank you, Paul. I have learned that you are a good one to have in a
corner.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] New guy
> Hi George,
>
> I'm glad you came to the Zion l
;Chet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] New guy
> George Cobabe wrote:
> > NO - that is wrong - the wrong one is Wright! THAT is right!
> >
> > Who's on second?
>
> OK, once more
eally wanted to know.
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] New guy
> George Cobabe favored us with:
> >I am glad to be one of the newes
al Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] "heck" ain't cussin
> George Cobabe favored us with:
> >Marc - would it be true to say that we LDS beli
I was trying not to let it happen, but I think you topped everyone and
surely had the last word on this.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] New guy
> -George-
> > C
Boy - you lost me there - are you asking about abilities (to argue) or the
size of bullets (so as to end the argument)?
George
- Original Message -
From: "Rick Mathis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] New guy
> At 09
Mark - I tried it as well on another list - it will not work. Your concept
makes too much sense for someone imbued with science to accept.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Gregson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Z
Marc, rather than start another political yelling match with you about the
USA and our policies, I will just say you are all screwed up and let it go
at that.
I am reminded of the old story of the Stallion and the horse fly. The fly
kept biting the horse but when it was all over the fly was still
Marc suggests:
"If one feels the specific events of the American Revolution were inspired,
one
would also have to believe that the French Revolution was inspired, since it
laid
the groundwork for the American Revolution, and the intellectuals behind the
liberalism (in the traditional sense of the t
bject: Re: [ZION] Afghanistan improved?
George Cobabe wrote:
> Marc, rather than start another political yelling match with you about the
> USA and our policies, I will just say you are all screwed up and let it go
> at that.
>
Okay. But I never did any yelling. No one ever proved me w
Rick - you are not clear in your question. Could a rational man be
otherwise than anti-Canadian or anti-American.
You have a bit to lose if you are anti-American, but no one cares about the
other. :-)
George
My son, Spencer, who was born in Calgary is asking me about this now.
- Original Me
sunderstanding.
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> George Cobabe favored us with:
> >Hate to be picky Marc, but the French Revolution is generally thought to
> >have occurred between 1789 and 1799, sometime after the American
Revolution.
> >You might recall the keys dates
The real question is who created the law for this universe. Are the laws
for this universe, and this God, different from those of other universes?
If God was the one who created the unique laws for this creation, then He
would surely be Omnipotent in every sense of the word - Latin or otherwise.
ke a bit of time and ponder it I believe that you will
come to the same conclusion I have come to.
Bless you all,
George
George Cobabe, CLU, ChFC
Ogden, Utah
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//
/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read
Give me some time John and I think I can demonstrate that this is not
necessarily so.
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law
> Jim Cobabe favore
Marc - it seems the question is not he definition of natural law, except as
it involves who created that law.
The question is: Did God, i.e. our God, create the natural law for his
creation or did He just transpose it from the overall eternal concept of
Natural Law.
Is every universe, form every
low (New York:
Macmillan, 1992), 467.)
As you can see it is not automatic that God is subject to laws that
supersede His power and his creations, rather the opposite is a real
possibility that is believed by more than just one or two crazy people
erstanding the example of the Father in being exalted from a mortal man.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21
George
He cannot break the laws that He has agreed to follow.
He cannot break His promises to his children.
If he did so he would cease to be God.
Note that both examples are self limiting, decisions that He has to make and
agree to.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMA
Stephen - apparently you are not the only one who admires him as I found an
inordinate amount of references to his publication on the subject of natural
law. He was quoted by all sorts of people.
Thanks for reading the long post I sent.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Beecrof
I can agree "that God is "subject to 'natural law", but only in the sense
that He has created those laws and needs to maintain the integrity to obey
the same rules that He has created. If He did not honor His word or His law
He would cease to be God.
George
- Original Message -
From:
story no longer available - if you want us to read it you almost need to
copy and paste.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "zion-l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: [ZION] Going, Going, Gone
A rare column
I say that I, with you, believe this is just not a
realistic concern.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law
>
> George
Furthermore, if Natural Law is the great constant and above God, then it is
the law we should worship. If we choose to do so it is then we become more
like Protestants and Catholics, in that our object of worship becomes
something without form, no body, parts, or passions. The Law can fill the
un
As God is, man may become by obeying the
laws that God (created) to (allow us to) become God.
Just a little change. :-) Then it becomes a truly correct statement.
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 19,
Redelfs' Commentary: God became God by obedience to pre-existing,
coeternal law. And if we are to become Gods we must follow the same path
that he took. The idea that God made up the laws by which he became God is
a Protestant idea. It is not the gospel.
I do not believe that anyone is suggest
Opps, I meant to say: "Those who argue there is a Law *above* our God need
..."
George
- Original Message -----
From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Natural Law
>
Jeff, I do not think it matters. I tend to go with the odds and believe
that He was not likely a Savior like Jesus, but, the King Follett address
seems to imply that He was a Savior. Joseph did not say it in an
unequivocal statement, but it was close. So I probably need to repent of my
view (on
geez Paul - and I was beginning to have such confidence in your doctrinal
judgment.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21
> Amen!
>
> John, you
ns
who have to deal with the inherent inconsistencies in their theology.
George Cobabe wrote:
> Furthermore, if Natural Law is the great constant and above God, then it
is
> the law we should worship. If we choose to do so it is then we become
more
> like Protestants and Catholics, in
Paul, I think you have misunderstood what the prophets have been doing for
we are commanded to:
(Doctrine and Covenants 20:17-20.)
17 By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who is infinite
and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God, the
framer of heaven
powerful than God, even law.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Natural Law
George Cobabe wrote:
> You are absolutely right. However we
ot;.
>
> Paul O
>
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:49:27 -0700 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Paul, I think you have misunderstood what the prophets have been
> > doing for
> > we are commanded to:
> > (Doctrine and Covenants 20:1
I have followed instructions, receiving a confirming email, but still do not
know the email address to submit posts to. Will that be coming from
smartgroups in another notice forthwith? or do you have it to give to us?
Or have I been blind and just missed it?
George
- Original Message -
It does not look like you need to do any more work now.
What I would work on is your own name. Something is just not right about
your signature.
Couz George
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:59 AM
Subj
Jon, there is no difference. In our theology creation means to organize.
At least that is what I meant. :-)
However, He was still the one that organized the Law for this universe.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday
atsoever to worship "the
highest entity or concept we can come up with." We're under "compulsion"
only to
worship God.
George Cobabe wrote:
> I do not see the connection between my quote and your comments.
>
> My earlier, not copied comments, suggested that we neede
I worked as a baptizer in the Ogden Temple - figured it was the only way I
could serve and still stay awake. Never boring - get bored and you drown.
I finally had to quit - couldn't stay quiet that long. After a while you
get tired of old men telling you to be quiet.
But it was great for the tim
The term eternal progression does not occur in either scripture nor early
church literature. What does that tell us?
Is it a term like "*free* agency" when "*moral* agency" is the correct term?
George
- Original Message -
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTEC
Geez, I have lost track of who is arguing what and why?
The original point was that as God created/organized the world He also
created/organized the law that governed it.
To criticize me for using a word that you object to, when I capitulated and
used your word (organize) instead of the scriptura
ut I think that MOST actions by the US fit
into the above criteria.
Would anyone disagree with this definition of Moral War? Or would anyone
add to this list of requirements?
Now if you want the flames to fly - apply this to a real situation and we
will see how difficult it is to fight a moral wa
ill not be possible!
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Moral War
> George Cobabe favored us with:
> >The question was asked by one, i
definition, but they will simply be a listing and
clarification of the points I have made above.
George Cobabe, CLU, ChFC
Ogden, Utah
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//
/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it
"Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full
flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are
conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal law."
Stephen, this statement seems to negate your earlier idea that love is
conditional. It seems to me
must always do all we can to avoid war and
contention, consistent with the points listed above. Being ready, willing,
and able to fight does not go against this principle. However, being
anxious to fight does go against this principle.
(By the way are we back on Zionsbest exclusively?)
George
- Original Message -
From: "Larry Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] I'm all shook up.
>
>
> George Cobabe:
>
> ... go back to sleep it is just an earthquake.
>
> ___
I think that you will find that the elders of the church are not prophesied
to save the constitution, but rather the "principles" of the constitution.
I suggest that means that after the United States has gone down in flames
the only people that will still be free with the constitutional principles
Steven - even in Knowlton's quote it does not say the nation would be saved,
only that the constitution will be borne away from destruction. This may
very well be separate from the entity known as the United States. It is
unlikely, for example, that the city of Zion in the Mississippi valley will
Gary, I accept Elder Maxwells comments with all my heart, as that is the way
I have always beloved. However how does this reconcile with Elder Nelsons
article in the Ensign where he appears to say something very different?
George
- Original Message -
From: "Gerald Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECT
he US as a constitutionally run entity while the majority of
> the US lapses into something less desirable and less livable.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:31:19 -0600, "George Cobabe"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I think that you will find that the
I had great hopes of finding a list where I could discuss gospel topics with
true believers and not have the anti -Mormon baiters always jumping in with
their obnoxious comments.
It would be nice if the fellow participants would be willing to discuss
without being judgmental if we happen to disagr
Stacy, I am not interested in joining a list that only discusses one topic,
although it might be interesting. I am really interested in a group of
committed LDS that can discuss and suggest and gently critique the thoughts
of others. There are a lot of questions that I feel need to be discussed -
Boy o Boy - talking about whether or not to shake hands for fear of illness
and death makes a lot more sense than talking about doctrinal or news
topics.
What a lot of nonsense - I keep waiting for the punch line - but it seems to
be getting more serious all of the time.
George
- Original Me
You go to the Bishop and say "Hi, Bishop, hows it going?" and see where it
leads from there.
Just start talking.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Gripe session
> I hav
Come on folks - this is an easy list. You can do all of this and still have
time left over for all the rest you might want to do.
Your exaltation depends more upon your acceptance of the atonement, which no
one has mentioned so far, than ANYTHING else you do. All the rest is
fluff - important fl
Sure and ...
> What would such a test consist of? Physical
> endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as
> integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories?
>
> Stacy.
>
> At 11:36 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >At 10:03 A
I am sorry that your life is so terrible that you need to disagree.
I have noticed that when the burden is great and is heavy to bear it is a
result of sin and of ignoring the promise of the Savior: My burden is
light.
Challenges? Yes, but manageable and to be celebrated as opportunities to
have
, not Circumstances" is one of the keys to a happy life.
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
And I for one just love Gospel music and am grateful that I can find some on
the cable channels. The Baptist may have a lot wrong, but they have great
music.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:41 PM
S
Chet this is a good post, but I have another, additional, view of the
striving for perfection.
Section 93 says that truth is independent in the sphere in which it
operates. Matthew says "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in
Heaven is perfect"
It seems impossible to be perfect by the s
OK, but then so are road shows.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Is Laughter a Sin?
> I don't feel the same way and I'm a former Baptist. I feel it's
> sensationalistic
Steve with your permission I will send this post to the other list. OK???
George
- Original Message -
From: "Steven Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Aaronic Temples vs. Melchizedek Temples
> Also at www.
Richard Cowan is a professor at BYU. He has been a Stake President and who
knows what else. He is also Blind.
He is one you can have some confidence in.
George
- Original Message -
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:47
;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] [MT] Aaronic and Melchizedek Temples
George Cobabe wrote:
>Some thoughts about the temple questions. I asked the question on another
>list I participate in and got the following.
I don't know what other list y
I understand you concerns Bill, for as you I have also sinned and stand
still condemned in this world - until the atonement takes action in my life
at least.
In fact, however, there is an ordinance of confirming that you have attained
this status. It used to be more common than now and is only kn
I have to admit, Steve, that this is thinking outside of the box.
There have been so many other times that a harbinger of war would have been
appropriate that I need to ask what were the signs at those times? If
heavenly bodies are truly foretellers of events, or trends, as you suggest
then where
Quite frankly I think that you finding it interesting is interesting to me.
What do I mean? If this event has meaning to you then it is good. I
believe that the best definition of a miracle is something that produces
faith. So it is with "signs." they are important to the one that receives
a w
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
> George Cobabe wrote:
> >Quite frankly I think that you finding it interesting is interesting to
> >me. What do I mean? If this event has meaning to you then it is good.
I
> >belie
al Message -
From: "Steven Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
> At 11:36 PM 7/30/2003, you wrote:
> >George Cobabe wrote:
> >>Quite frankly I think that you finding it in
Whoops, I meant faith not miracles.
George
- Original Message -
From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
> That is true, although I was speaking of FAITH, not signs.
>
Well, it depends upon John being correct.
George
- Original Message -
From: "Steven Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
> Fwiw, I asked John Pratt (Astronomer and ancient calender expert) about
> Mars' c
And Chet - what was the effect of the miracles you cited on the faith you
enjoy? I suspect that your faith was strengthed by the manifestations of
Gods love and interest in your daughter.
Mine is when I read or am involved in a manifestation of the power of God
and His interest in me and mine.
Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
> I might dispute that one can only have an "immature" faith in this life.
A
> perfect one, no, but mature is definitely possible for some.
>
> Stacy.
Yea I know, MormonThinker is the other list. Whoops.
George
- Original Message -
From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Faith as a working principle (was MARS)
> Yes I ima
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
> At 04:04 PM 7/13/03 -0600, George Cobabe wrote:
> >I am not sure that any personal story I could come up with would be o
of Mormon
>
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:22:05 -0600 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > OK, Paul I will forget it, especially if you will not just throw
> > irresponsible statements and claims about just any old way.
> >
> > George
>
>
>
You might think of how Lamanites were described in the BofM. It was not
based on race or lineage, rather on the state of righteousness. The
membership of the group was constantly changing from one time to another.
We recognize in the church the principle of adoption. We give the blessing
and al
delete it is, with a knowing smile on my face :-)
George
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon
>
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003
No, I do not. The idea that the DNA from a small group of about 20-30
people in the Lehi party would have a significant impact on the populations
already in the Americas is hard to accept and understand.
If you can somehow show what kind of DNA you are looking for you will
already be way ahead of
ct: Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon
>
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:22 -0600 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Paul, you should know that the FAIR message boards are not the FAIR
> > members,
> > but rather visitors who post what they want. If that
While the statement quoted is the problem it is never the less the fact that
for many, many years the idea of other peoples being there first has been a
part of the belief of many people.
A careful reading of 1st Nephi would lead you to believe that they were
interacting with native people from th
2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Kicked Off the FAIR List
> George Cobabe wrote:
> >That may be Bill, but ZION was supposed to be discontinued in favor of
> >MormonThinkers sometime ago, or so I understood. Obviously it did not
> >completely happen.
>
> Huh? I don&#x
ng the metal.
>
> Maybe that doesn't make much sense after all.
>
> Scott
>
> George Cobabe wrote:
>
> >I think that there is a difference between melting and working gold and
the
> >making of metal alloys such as steel. I think that is what
ter all, there is for
the
> church. Why not Fair?
>
> Stacy.
>
> At 01:23 PM 08/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >George Cobabe wrote:
> >>I do not believe that anyone on FAIR would make such a claim. Paul O.
was
> >>not speaking of that group of people when he
03 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon
> At 07:14 AM 8/11/2003, you wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:59:17 -0600 George Cobabe
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > For more on this issue you might want to check out fairlds.com.
> > > Thi
;
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:23 PM
Subject: [ZION] Kicked Off the FAIR List
> George Cobabe wrote:
> >I do not believe that anyone on FAIR would make such a claim. Paul O.
was
> >not speaking of that group of people when he expressed his concern.
> >
> >I am sorry
Paul: You have such a tendency to throw things around. Could you provide a
reference for anyone who believes about Deer and Wooden swords? Hopefully a
url!!!
George
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Subject: Re: [ZION] Kicked Off the FAIR List
> George Cobabe wrote of FAIR:
>
> >It is without a doubt the best group and list that I have been lucky
enough to associate with.
> >
ugust 13, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: [ZION] MormonThinkers [was Kicked Off the FAIR List]
>
> George Cobabe wrote:
>
> ZION was supposed to be discontinued in favor of
> MormonThinkers sometime ago, or so I understood.
> Obviously it did not completely happen.
>
> ___
Metallurgy in Ancient America
>
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:28:16 -0600 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I think that there is a difference between melting and working gold
> > and the
> > making of metal alloys such as steel. I think that is what is
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