This disinformation and muddling of facts is not at all helpful and appears
to attempt to stifle intelligent discussion.
Paula

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ode Coyote" <odecoy...@alltel.net>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: CS> tryptophan repost from june'06


>
> >We don't pay the FDA enough to do thier job.  Fact.
>
> Nor have we defined what it is specifically enough for our vague rules to
> be followed.
> All we can do is bitch and snipe when something goes wrong.
> It was created because no one was doing *any* job.
> No, it isn't perfect, nothing is perfect.
> Yes, the system does need an overhaul.
> Who pays for that overhaul?     HOW, should it be changed?
>   We piss and moan, but don't want the responsibility of paying up and
> being in charge.
>   If we DID fund them enough to protect us ....absolutely, as we
> demand....we'd all starve.
> Inspect every leaf, every hunk of meat?  Nothing left to eat.
>
> GE:
> Mitochondria DNA tracing along with some interpretations of history
> strongly suggests that virtually all of our farm crops and domestic
> animals...and we ourselves, were genetically engineered...and we are, and
> they are, of course, "perfect".
>   No one is allergic to sheep, or peanuts, or corn, or wheat, or ......
>   How many versions of human just plain "failed"?
>
> Any changes present problems to some people.
>   Every endeavor includes a possibility of error.
> Nothing happens without cost and benefit considerations.
>   Every human is motivated by self interest.  Call that greed?  OK, Call
it
> greed.
>   And everything starts with not knowing what you're doing.
>   Nothing, is what needs to be done?
> OK, do nothing.
> Telling everyone else they are wrong, is, doing nothing.
> Congratulations, you have succeeded. [in wasting valuable intelligence and
> effort on nothing ]
>
> So here we have a system by default that, if even a very small percentage
> of people have a problem, whole fields of endeavor grind to a halt,
> regardless of any over all benefit.
>   We have Governments to control us because we don't control ourselves,
> then whine when they do...and whine when they don't.
>   Yes, it is a bit more than a touch ignorant.  It's a representative
> government.
>   They all are.  Even the totalitarian ones.
>
> Even Monsanto can't survive without the buyers consent and participation.
>   Monsanto is "people" who eat the unlabeled foods they engineer.  Those
> are not "different" people.
>   They have children and relatives too.
>   They are self interested like everyone else.
>   They see and suffer the cost just like everyone else, but also have a
> birds eye view of benefit that no one wants to look at.
> Every change has it's risk.   No attempt in the face of  inevitable
change,
> is even riskier.
>   Problems and imperfections?  OF COURSE!  [If anyone knew what they were
> doing, it would already be done. ]
>
> If you have a better idea, implement it.
> If it IS a better idea, it will catch on.
>   A real winner doesn't have to make everything else out to be a loser.
> That's what losers do to make themselves out to *look like* winners.
> I can't, because "they" won't?  Loser!!
>
> There are just no absolutes on planet Earth.
> It's ALL process, and all process includes errors.
> ..and all errors include resistance to acknowledgement.
>
> A better idea that really IS better, makes errors AND  resistance a moot
> and forgotten point.
>   Beating your brains out against obstacles, gets you beaten brains. "GO
> AROUND"
>
> Only an idiot believes he can make idiots smarter by yelling "stupid" at
them.
>   [ And only an idiot would listen to them yell. ]
>
>   Help me, help me!  ...No, not like that!
> How then?
>   If I knew that, I wouldn't have hired you to tell me.
>   That makes me the expert and you the fool?
>   Noise is knowledge in action?
> Yup.
>
> The clinking sound a coin makes when thrown away, buys one nothing.
> [Discount today, 3 nothings for a single clink. ]
> ...always a highly successful sale day, drawing crowds of buyers.
>
>   Law of demand and supply:  [It's NOT the other way around.]
> Where-so-ever there be buyers, so shall there be sellers.
>
>   Buy into your helplessness??  So shall it be sold to you.
>
>   I've met a lot of people with a "saviour complex".
>   All they know is how to put others down and any "plan" they may have is
> so full of holes, it won't even hold boulders.
> Never mind "my"  plan that CAN'T work in any version of a real world....
> look at theirs that isn't doing very well!!
> Idi Amin was one of those "saviours"
>   He truly believed he could and the people of Uganda bought
> it...believing, like Amin, that "they" were the problem, so eliminating
> "them" was a solution.
>
>   It was found out the hard way,
>   There is no "they" and "them" is, us, denying our own identity.
> ....and the responsibility that having an identity entails, along with the
> "true" power it gives.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> >Had the FDA kept that crap out of our food supply (read: BEEN DOING THEIR
> >SUPPOSED JOB), it never would have happened.
> >
> >But no, your (apparently beloved) FDA approves of this junk
wholeheartedly.
> >
> >>If I recall, they did get their buttocks sued off, but none of the small
> >>guys re-packaging and re-selling it did.
> >
> >Why should they? Its the FDA that should have gotten sued.
> >
> >>[balance snipped as meaningless sniping ]
> >
> >Meaning you have no answer to it...
> >
> >>....no, not everyone is evil no matter who they work for, nor is the alt
> >>health industry a pack of benevolent angels.
> >
> >Never said either one, so fail to see your point.
> >
> >
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