Faith concludes:
> We cause as much pain in the world when we take offense as when we
> give it. 

Very interesting summation of the idea, Faith.

Dee writes:
>         I agree totally with you Mary Ann, civility costs nothing and it
>         is surely a positive thing to make people feel good rather than
>         the opposite...

Civility costs effort, more or less depending on your personality. 
<grin>

Mary Ann says:
> The measure of any group of people in society --
>         cyber-society included -- is the level of behavior of the least
>         of that society.  If it is required of polite people to become
>         thick-skinned and tolerate bad behavior, then everyone loses

Yes, and somewhere between these two legitimate ideals -- perfect 
civility and perfect immunity -- is the reality we live in.

Anybody who wants to launch into great dramas every time somebody else 
says something that can be stretched enough to be interpreted as 
offensive will be just as disruptive as Simon/Charles, as well as fail 
to achieve any of their own goals for their participation. We've all 
seen these personalities. They usually don't hang around very long.

On the other hand, if you stubbornly persist in injecting unnecessary  
little personal jabs at people while ostensibly helping them, you're 
going to create a problem, too.

Still, the reason I'm most disappointed in Charles, is that this list 
is, in essence, my property, the product of my labor. The atmosphere I 
foster, the effort I put into making it a welcoming place and keeping 
the discussion on an even keel, is what will make the group attractive 
to people and allow them to use it to meet their own needs and 
encourage them to help each other. 

You don't come in here and expect to be able to dictate standards of 
behavior! I'm astonished that an ostensible libertarian would be so 
disrespectful of another person's property rights! And be persistently 
aggressive, too. Both are antithetical to libertarian philosophy. 
<sigh>

So I agree with everyone who says you shouldn't let yourself be 
bothered by idiots on the 'net. But that doesn't mean I'm obliged to 
let anyone come in here and stealthily corrupt the atmosphere I'm 
trying to create with hostile and aggressive behavior.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
[Speaking only for myself...               ]


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