In a message dated 6/20/00 1:39:36 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: << Fred: Here goes picky me again, but this time I'll try to be more civil. >First, I think David Ripley was marketing an HVAC CS machine before Bruce. >Second, I never claimed I invented anything. I believe, if you'll check the >record, I said I rediscovered the "sputtered" form of the HVAC CS process >"100 years too late." Small detail perhaps, but you'll find the devil hidden >in many mistaken/omitted details. Look again Roger, I said above: "Roger said HE "re" invented it 100 years
Fred: I think your reply speaks for itself. Simply re-read your last sentence and my original statement. You have to give me some latitude in words Roger, I have digital data overload problems from working two computers 10 hours a day 7 days a week with my many web businesses and ecommerce site designs (doing 50 now) and can barely remember what I said a few days ago, let alone what you said! Only my Eudora spell checker makes any of it readable. Fred: What did Harry Truman say about heat in the kitchen...? "Fred: I was wondering of the people who produce LVDC CS, what percentage of the time do they see a degradation (deeper color, black silver powder dropping out, etc.) of their product over time? Perhaps, Fred, you'd like to carry the ball on this one by repeating this question every time you post something. Respectfully, Roger" Thanks for the "Respectfully", but I am annoying enough already to some, to want to keep repeating myself! I can give you a general answer from both the questions posted and my experience! The simpler setups with no circulation and normal electrode spacing will have the problem, as a dense ion cloud forms and promotes nucleation/crystallization and there are generally conductive "stringers" that form to the bottom and or negative electrode. It is more often referred to as slimy stings and never as a powder, unless disturbed (shaken) violently. The fall out may be immediate and prolonged, as the many nucleation sites allow continued degradation. Very operator and process dependent (and phase of the moon). Fred: I think you explained very well my main complaint with this very popular and related LVDC CS methods. Those that use batteries often report crystal clear product, when the batteries are dead! (Really, I heard it reported a few times - one kind soul even offered to provide a "time to replace battery" email service.) The some what popular "reversing polarity" process prevents the stringers and tends to blow the reduced ions off the negative electrode and they will in time settle as a dark powder. Looks a lot better tho' and could be a better product if done right. Fred: Yes, we hear that key phrase again, "if done right". I expect it is closer to a HV setup - more atoms then ions - but can not count them! The better approach of very light circulation prevents crystal growth and or stringers but there are often a few "curls" of reduced ion growth that will fall from the negative and settle immediately to the bottom. We just decant, to avoid it. Fred: Ah, but can you be sure you don't have large clusters remaining, ready to flocculate into larger units (and drop out) tomorrow, in two weeks, two months ...? Those that like power and use excessive circulation will produce results the same as polarity reversals, ripping reduced ions free. The problems are much worse (and more often posted) with small area electrodes (wire) vs. wide strips or bars. A critical element, ignored by most, is the need to keep the current density low - stringers of course totally defeat that goal and crystal growth accelerates with higher current density. Fred: Practically speaking, how many non-engineers or non-scientifically bent LVDC CS makers will appreciate this excellent point? How many reading your comments really know what you are talking about? How many are swallowing a poor product right now that may not only have inferior bioavailability, but could constitute some longer term health risk? That is another of the "defects" I see in the HV process - a high probability of kicking few ions off, mostly discrete particles! Fred: Then how do you explain the potency of my HVAC CS brew at ~ 1 PPM ? (and don't change the subject about health risk when you have nothing but speculation to fall back on.) Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
