In a message dated 6/21/00 0:26:27 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: << Fred: What did Harry Truman say about heat in the kitchen...? > You are as sympathetic as my ex - do you ever have any compasion, at all?
Fred: We're supposed to be having a logical exchange of ideas which means you should devoted the time required to provide a considered opinion. Anyone who is putting in the kind of hours you are doing disserves my and everyone elses compassion. Perhaps you should step back and ask yourself is this (situation) what I want out of life right now, or am I working myself into a basket case for some improvement in the future? > "Fred: I was wondering of the people who produce LVDC CS, what percentage of > the time do they see a degradation (deeper color, black silver powder > dropping out, etc.) of their product over time? Perhaps, Fred, you'd like to > carry the ball on this one by repeating this question every time you post > something. > > Respectfully, Roger" > > Thanks for the "Respectfully", but I am annoying enough already to some, > to want to keep repeating myself! I can give you a general answer from > both the questions posted and my experience! > > The simpler setups with no circulation and normal electrode spacing > will have the problem, as a dense ion cloud forms and promotes > nucleation/crystallization and there are generally conductive "stringers" > that form to the bottom and or negative electrode. It is more often > referred to as slimy stings and never as a powder, unless disturbed > (shaken) violently. The fall out may be immediate and prolonged, as > the many nucleation sites allow continued degradation. Very operator > and process dependent (and phase of the moon). > >Fred: I think you explained very well my main complaint with this very >popular and related LVDC CS methods. Yes, and it would also apply to the "weird science HVAC process", which sadly none of the "inventors or re-discoverers" can explain - just claiming it is better! Fred: Well, as I see it I, you (you've taken the role of debunker which is fine because we need a cummugion to make us think up answers to your questions) and some others are working hard attempting to uncover HVAC CS secrets. The fact that it can work so effectively a ~1 PPM without knowing exactly why should not deter us. After all, we can't explain a lot of phenomena, but we take advantage of many of them non the less. >Those that use batteries often report crystal clear product, when the >batteries are dead! (Really, I heard it reported a few times - one kind soul >even offered to provide a "time to replace battery" email service.) > > The some what popular "reversing polarity" process prevents the > stringers and tends to blow the reduced ions off the negative electrode > and they will in time settle as a dark powder. Looks a lot better tho' > and could be a better product if done right. > >Fred: Yes, we hear that key phrase again, "if done right". Seems to fit everything in life - they all have a right and wrong way - only the individual can make that choice. I chose LVDC and you HVAC! Fred: I think you're missing the point. If it is easy to make bad LVDC CS then that's a practical drawback of the LVDC method. >I expect it is closer to a HV setup - more atoms then ions - but can not >count them! > > The better approach of very light circulation prevents crystal growth and > or stringers but there are often a few "curls" of reduced ion growth that > will fall from the negative and settle immediately to the bottom. We just > decant, to avoid it. > >Fred: Ah, but can you be sure you don't have large clusters remaining, ready >to flocculate into larger units (and drop out) tomorrow, in two weeks, two >months ...? I got LVDC Cs! Would 18 month old product with no settlement or reduction in TDS satisfy you! Fred: Is everyone as fortunate as you? >Those that like power and use excessive circulation will produce results the >same as polarity reversals, ripping reduced ions free. > > The problems are much worse (and more often posted) with small area > electrodes (wire) vs. wide strips or bars. A critical element, ignored by > most, is the need to keep the current density low - stringers of course > totally defeat that goal and crystal growth accelerates with higher current > density. > >Fred: Practically speaking, how many non-engineers or non-scientifically bent >LVDC CS makers will appreciate this excellent point? How many reading your >comments really know what you are talking about? How many are swallowing a >poor product right now that may not only have inferior bioavailability, but >could constitute some longer term health risk? Do your own annoying surveys, it is too hot in my kitchen! Fred: Touchy, touchy. I do believe only the substance abusers (Cs by the quart or wacky unknown 500PPM stuff) risk their health from inferior product but I have stronger concerns about the still unknown HVAC product, especially the depressed pH type, as more then water and silver enter into the currently unexplained formula! I am glad you use only 1PPM, so we can continue this friendly fireside chat. Fred: When will you ever be satisfied the that my HVAC CS is both effective AND safe? Please give me your requirements. >That is another of the "defects" I see in the HV process - a high > probability of kicking few ions off, mostly discrete particles! > >Fred: Then how do you explain the potency of my HVAC CS brew at ~ 1 PPM ? >(and don't change the subject about health risk when you have nothing but >speculation to fall back on.) > Truthfully, I can not explain something I have not seen - do you have a web site or list of user successes I could place a value judgement on? Mine is at: <http://www.health2us.com/stories.htm>. Your court! Fred: I'll do you one better...Promise me that you'll test my product for safety and efficacy (not counting itsi, bitsi charged, and uncharged particles which MAY or MAY NOT correlate to ANYTHING) and I'll send you a sample. Roger > Roger >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
