The reason the ball valves were approved for R systems was the statement
that backflows are approved with them. This is NOT the case. There have
always been backflows listed without the ball valves. One maker uses
LBV(less ball valves) as the designator. I have many times had the ball
valves removed and the gate/butterball installed. I do not ever remember
being limited on backflows because of ball valves. I personally think the
ball valves should go away, and stay gone.

R/

Matt

Matthew J. Willis
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC.
1160 McKenzie Rd.
PO Box 877
Cantonment, FL. 32533
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----- >-----Original Message-----
----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
----- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
----- >Behalf Of Ron Greenman
----- >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:14 PM
----- >To: [email protected]
----- >Subject: Re: Sectional Valves...
----- >
----- >Thom,
----- >
----- >You can look at the backflow in two ways. Because it is 
----- >the water purveyors' rule that requires them (and in 
----- >Washington at least plumber's work by law) you could say 
----- >the sprinkler system doesn't start until after the 
----- >second valve. Or you could say that because they are 
----- >listed with those ball valves attached they are part of 
----- >a listed system and so acceptable in the all alphabet 
----- >soup flavors of 13. When on drum drips they under 
----- >ancillary use and are also acceptable.
----- >
----- >On 5/22/08, Thom McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
----- >> We use quite a few of them on our 13D backflows which 
----- >all seem to come 
----- >> with  ball valves.
----- >>  We've also installed them at the owner request on the 
----- >drum drip ball 
----- >> valves  of dry systems. You need a slow close control 
----- >valve for a 
----- >> sectional valve,  to prevent water hammer, so these 
----- >won't work, since 
----- >> 1/4 turn ball valves are  anything but "Slow Close"
----- >>
----- >>
----- >>  -----Original Message-----
----- >>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- >>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
----- >Behalf Of Tom 
----- >> Duross
----- >>  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:35 PM
----- >>  To: [email protected]
----- >>  Subject: RE: Sectional Valves...
----- >>
----- >>  Actually Charles, it clamps to the valve body.  Meant 
----- >for a ball 
----- >> valve only,  like when you have a listed bfp assembly 
----- >with ball valves 
----- >> and they have to  be monitored.
----- >>  Not cheap!  They list for $225.
----- >>
----- >>  Tom
----- >>  Go Red Sox!
----- >>
----- >>
----- >>  Hello RFI,
----- >>
----- >>  Potter makes a switch that can be added to ball 
----- >valves for this RBVS, 
----- >> BUT  since it clamps to the pipe for mounting it might 
----- >not be suitable 
----- >> for use  with CPVC.
----- >>
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