We are just trying to help them with a "do-able" idea. I know it wouldn't be to code, so we would have to make it better than code. In their case, the first responders would already be there in case of an emergency. The "house" would be torn down after Halloween; they want to make it out of trailers, so they would just pull them out from under the grandstand.
David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax www.sfm.ne.gov ** Note new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Water Supply Are they going to store all of the haunted house stuff in there during the off season? If so, then you have a storage occupancy, which would provide an exposure to a grandstand, especially when occupied. Doesn't sound like a good idea. Does Nebraska law allow sprinkler systems with no permanent water supply? Try NFPA 13 (2002) section 15.1.1. At 10:30 AM 9/30/2008, you wrote: >"A smart architect.........." > >That's pretty funny for a Tuesday morning. > > >This question is for the AHJ's or anybody that what to chime in. > >We have a Haunted House that wants to build under a grandstand of a >local dirt-track. Per the code it needs to be sprinkler protected. >Since this area is subject to freezing; they want to install what I >would call a manual dry-pipe system. The system would have no water >supply, just a FDC with a pumper attached when the "house" is occupied. >If the hydraulics work out, anyone see anything wrong with this scenario? > > >David Autry >Plans Examiner >Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office >246 S. 14th Street >Lincoln, NE 68508 >402-471-9659 >402-471-3118 fax >www.sfm.ne.gov > >** Note new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:08 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers > >A smart architect would have known there are limitations on windows >and glazing in rated construction. He should have been asking some >questions before just "drawing up a drawing" and saying "make it so". > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection Group >Mechanical Department >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.ch2m.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:55 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers > >It's permitted this way so what's a fellow to do? Tell the >Architect/Engineer, Building Department, Fire Department and owner >that they have to eliminate the doors and horizontal mullions from >80 ft. of glass wall? And by the way, the next time you want to use >a glass wall you have to check with Tyco? > >By the time we find out about the rated glass wall all the permits >are issued and construction has begun. It's probably a little too >late to architecturally redesign the entire lobby area. > >Ron Fletcher >Aero Automatic Sprinkler >Phoenix, AZ > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott A. >Futrell >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 6:16 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers > >The Tyco limitations are because that is what is required to keep >the glass intact, make the sprinkler work properly, and ensure the >wall rating. If it is designed, installed, approved, and accepted >incorrectly it is still wrong regardless of what the AHJ approves. >With all due respect Ron, you won't be okay if something goes wrong >and you haven't used the Tyco sprinkler given that it is available >for this specific application and the information in the thread >below including Chris' input. > >Scott > >(763) 425-1001 Office >(612) 759-5556 Cell > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:59 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers > >If the AHJ will approve closely spaced sprinklers you should be okay. >The Tyco window sprinkler has some severe limitations like no >horizontal mullions which translates to no doors. > >Just because a sprinkler is UL Listed for an application it doesn't >mean it's the only thing that can be used. We at the office have >often discussed submitting a line of sprinklers to UL for testing >and sending along a tanker truck of water from phoenix for the test. >We would then have the only sprinkler UL Listed with Phoenix water. >Following the window sprinkler logic everyone would have to buy our >sprinkler if they did work in Phoenix. (lol) > >Ron Fletcher >Aero Automatic Sprinkler >Phoenix, AZ > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:21 AM >To: AFSA >Subject: Window Sprinklers > >Mornin'. I am bidding a project which consists of an educational facility. >Down the center of the building runs an 8' wide corridor. 60' of one >of the corridor walls is glass. The corridor walls are fire rated so >I am installing sprinklers on both sides of the glass at a max. of 6' >spacing. >Tyco makes a sprinkler expressly for this use. I can find nothing in >codes or standards that require me to use this Tyco sprinkler. Does >anyone know of a requirement to use this sprinkler? Why would a >contractor choose to use an $80.00 Tyco sprinkler when a $3.00 SSP >will do the same job? This makes me concerned that there is one >sorta like the CC1 and CC2 sprinkler. > >Any input will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > >Russell Rewis > >Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc. > >107C Hemlock Street > >Valdosta, Georgia 31601 > >229-244-8130 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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