Let's not use the term FPE but EXPERIENCED DESIGN/LAYOUT PROFESSIONAL.
There, I feel better now. ;) DISCLAIMER: "This comment is not intended to represent or refer to any person living or dead, employed or unemployed, educated or dumb as a country cow tipper." Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Water Supply If we all follwed the basic steps and dropped our hot potatoes in the collective laps of he RDPs, and a few claims got paid under E&O, Victor O' would start requiring FPEs on every spkr job. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Water Supply My sentiments exactly. We did notify the "design team" of the dilemma (tail vigorously wagging dog), politely. We didn't tell them that they couldn't build it because there is no specific sprinkler designed to fit the exact circumstance. Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Sprinkler Phoenix, AZ P.S. "My stomach get's all tight" perfect! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Water Supply Ron: If the drawing say's "Rated wall" and you can obviously see that the mullions don't allow the TYCO Window sprinklers, as a "Dumb Contractor" and not the design professional, you'd have to rely on them having figured out what's required already. Maybe they bought that expensive rated glass? Maybe they got an exception? Or maybe they made a mistake? You've no way to know which at bid time, so if it turns out they screwed up, that's what their E&O insurance is for. When you say smart Architect, my stomach get's all tight. Let's be kind, and call them "The Design Professional Team" under the architects leadership. The team may have elected not to involve a FPE, usually for financial reasons. As a result they are liable for that decision, and any resulting "Extra's" unless of course you were required by spec. to supply a FPE, and even then if you were, your scope was limited to NFPA 13, 14, 24 (Spec. section --------) you still would not be liable for the design of the "Rated Window Wall". You don't have to tell them "What to Do" only that their design doesn't work as drawn. If they ask how to correct it, you can give your opinion as a "Non-Design Professional" and suggest they have an FPE help with the final design. Yeah I know this just endears you to the Owner and the "Team", but it sure beats taking it up the shorts! Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 A smart architect would have known there are limitations on windows and glazing in rated construction. He should have been asking some questions before just "drawing up a drawing" and saying "make it so". Craig L. Prahl, CET It's permitted this way so what's a fellow to do? Tell the Architect/Engineer, Building Department, Fire Department and owner that they have to eliminate the doors and horizontal mullions from 80 ft. of glass wall? And by the way, the next time you want to use a glass wall you have to check with Tyco? By the time we find out about the rated glass wall all the permits are issued and construction has begun. It's probably a little too late to architecturally redesign the entire lobby area. Ron Fletcher _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
