If it is 62 ft in the air and is not pitched, demo is probably the 
only way to go. Then they can install the ceiling at 40 ft and put a 
system under it.


At 09:02 AM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>It may be more cost effective to demo existing system and install new dry.
>The heads are 40 years old, pipe is sch 40 screwed...you'd save a 
>lot on labor.
>Forest Wilson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Merkle <[email protected]>
>
>Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:54:48
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Storage Sprinkler
>
>
>They are storing empty tin cans on pallets. (Primarily empty # 10 
>cans) Each pallet load is eight foot high. Then three loads stacked. 
>The problem with this building is that it has an existing wet 
>sprinkler system that was installed during the 60's. The building is 
>a little over 23,000sqft. The owner would like to turn the system 
>into a dry b/c of the heat bill during the winter months being over 
>$10,000.00 a month. Have not been able to figure out what the 
>original design intent, but the pipe sizing is out of control. Lots 
>of 10", 8", 5" and of course some 3 1/2". System would need to be 
>split. Currently as one system would have a volume of over 2,100 gal.
>
>  Daniel L. Merkle, CET
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Todd Williams <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:37:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Storage Sprinkler
>
>Just out of curiosity, what is the Class I product they are storing
>solid piled to 24'?
>
>
>
>At 12:17 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >Sorry, storage hight is 24'-0 which would give me 130% per
> >14.2.4.3.  My concern is the 38'-0" of open space to the roof.  What
> >if the roof was 100ft. high?
> >
> >  Daniel L. Merkle, CET
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: Thom McMahon <[email protected]>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:46:19 AM
> >Subject: RE: Storage Sprinkler
> >
> >This is another "Outside the scope of NFPA 13" Situations. Obviously input
> >from the sprinkler MFG.'s is good but they will be reluctant to take any
> >design responsibility for conditions not defined by NFPA 13, or confirmed by
> >testing. Time to hire a "Good" FPE.
> >
> >Even if you just look at Fig. 14.2.4.3, you'll see for 35 foot height you'd
> >need over 200% design density if the graph even went that high. Then you
> >have the additional problem of delayed response for the ceiling height
> >outside of the scope. How do you allow for that? 2x or 3x the design area?
> >You may even be looking at something other than "Control Mode" protection.
> >Deluge? HE Foam? IR detection?
> >
> >Time for professional help outside of the "proscriptive Standard".
> >
> >Thom McMahon, SET
> >Firetech, Inc.
> >2560 Copper Ridge Dr
> >P.O. Box 882136
> >Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
> >Tel:  970-879-7952
> >Fax: 970-879-7926
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Merkle
> >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:06 AM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Storage Sprinkler
> >
> >Anyone know of a storage sprinkler to protect a 62'-0" high building with
> >solid pile Class 1 storage, stored to 36'-0"?
> >
> >Daniel L. Merkle, CET
> >
> >
> >
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