I think you have a basis in that the code doesn't really have a guide for
the situation.  Sure it stirs the debate of the code being what you can't do
vs. what you can do.  

I'd suggest having the contractor set up a mock up of the arrangement before
you approve.  I did this a couple times but not this arrangement.  Once it
worked out for the contractor.  Once they tested before hand and never even
invited me because it failed miserable in there observation.  It's got to be
bad when you don't even try to get the AHJ on board. 

Oh and you have some flexibility in these matter because you are an FPE.  

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richardson, R
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Sound Baffles

Thanks for the thoughts.  The suspended obstruction table is met quite
easily (though this is not Light hazard), meaning that water can get over
the top of the obstruction, but it will just hit the next panel.

The rules for obstructions greater than 18 in. speak to significant
horizontal obstructions, which is not the case here. The horizontal element
is only 2 ins. Max.

I suppose this is no different than deep exposed beams where a head is
placed in each beam pocket, none of which meet the beam rule.  There does
not seem to be a basis to deny the proposal.

Rich Richardson
Seattle Fire Department

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 13:26
To: [email protected]; Richardson, R
Subject: RE: Sound Baffles

Unfortunately that section deals with grid or egg-crate type ceilings where
the ceiling panel is much thinner than the 24 inches of depth of the sound
baffles.  


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hinson, Ryan
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Sound Baffles

I would refer to NFPA 13 (2007) section 8.15.13.  This refers to the
obstruction of the vertical member to the developing spray pattern.  I would
reduce the square footage per head to protect this area.

Ryan Hinson
Burns & McDonnell
Direct: 952-656-6003 Ext 3662

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richardson, R
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Sound Baffles

We are reviewing a proposal to install sound baffles suspended from the
roof, and evaluating obstructions to sprinkler discharge.   The baffles
are 2 ft. deep panels hung vertically every ft.  The top of the baffle is
just over 18 ins. From the sprinkler heads so NFPA 13 would indicate that
there is no obstruction problem because they do not exceed the 4 ft.
obstruction trigger for obstruction more than 18 in. below the heads. 

However, the panels are every foot and it sure seems like a significant
obstruction, but the installation does not violate NFPA 13 for obstructions.

Has anyone ever dealt with this issue and offer any insight.

Thanks,

Rich Richardson
Seattle Fire Department



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