That is one area where the UFC does a good thing, and specifies that wet
pipe sprinkler protection cannot be removed from a server room under any
circumstances in lieu of a clean agent system or even a dry or preaction
system.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Chris Cahill <[email protected]>wrote:

> Every conversation I've had in this area goes like this. OK did you
> consider
> roof leaks, wind damage, toilet flooding, IT tech spilling coffee, roof
> drain leak, smoke from a fire in another part of the building and every
> other conceivable threat to the computer.  If so and the sprinkler is the
> last issue then clean agent is right for you otherwise you are probably
> better served by making your computer system more redundant.  Have yet to
> have a clean agent put in.  Now don't get me wrong there are good places
> for
> these just not these small rooms when overlooking the big picture.
>
> Chris Cahill, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
>
> 763-658-4483
> 763-658-4921 fax
>
> Email: [email protected]
>
> Mail: P.O. Box 69
>        Waverly, MN 55390
>
> Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
>              Waverly, MN 55390
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:11 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Gas systems replacing sprinklers
>
>
> My apologies for re-visiting this subject but I have been off of here for a
> while.
>
> This was a general question. Not associated with one building type or room
> size. It was brought to my attention by the sales person that the fire
> marshals are making the contractors put in sprinklers with the gas systems
> based on the following code;
>
> NFPA 13 2007
> 4.1 Level of Protection. A building, where protected by an
> automatic sprinkler system installation, shall be provided with
> sprinklers in all areas except where specific sections of this
> standard permit the omission of sprinklers.
>
> An argument could be based on the following, but it still does not
> specifically allow the omission of "water based sprinklers"
>
> NFPA 13 2007
> 1.5 Equivalency. Nothing in this standard is intended to prevent
> the use of systems, methods, or devices of equivalent or
> superior quality, strength, fire resistance, effectiveness, durability,
> and safety over those prescribed by this standard. Technical
> documentation shall be submitted to the authority having
> jurisdiction to demonstrate equivalency. The system,
> method, or device shall be approved for the intended purpose
> by the authority having jurisdiction.
> 1.6 New Technology.
> 1.6.1 Nothing in this standard shall be intended to restrict
> Nothing in this standard shall be intended to restrict
> new technologies or alternate arrangements, provided the
> level of safety prescribed by this standard is not lowered.
>
>
> The  Novec 1230 systems from Viking are basically designed for a single
> room. I have multiple projects around the country that I can use this
> system
> on, small computer rooms around 12'x12'.  The higher temp sprinkler in the
> room would act as a backup to the system, but that defeats the purpose of
> the gas system to eliminate the chance of a sprinkler accidentally going
> off
> in a room, I know that the odds are very slim, but tell that to building
> owners who see them going off all the time in the movies. I guess what it
> will come down to is a ruling from each individual fire Marshall.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Aaron Johnson
> Northwest Consulting, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 7:25 am
> Subject: RE: Gas systems replacing sprinklers
>
>
> Didn't we just visit this question or is my e-mail system doing something
> funky?
> Aaron, the consensus from the last time we discussed this was that the
> building
> ode is what governs whether you can make the substitution or not along with
> pproval by the AHJ.  NFPA has no preference.
> You need to know if the architect took some of the allowances for area
> increases
> r egress or other things that were based on the building being fully
> prinklered before attempting to omit sprinklers from any area.
>
> raig L. Prahl, CET
> ire Protection Specialist
> echanical Department
> H2MHILL
> ockwood Greene
> 500 International Drive
> O Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> irect - 864.599.4102
> ax - 864.599.8439
> [email protected]
> ttp://www.ch2m.com
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> n Behalf Of Michael J. Ricks
> ent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:38 AM
> o: [email protected]
> ubject: Gas systems replacing sprinklers
> Does anyone know if NFPA specifically states that a gas fire suppression
> system
> an replace a fire sprinkler in a room, or rooms? I scanned and searched and
> the
> nly section it addresses that issue is in marine systems 25.1.5, partial
> ystems. Section 1.5 possibly covers it but convincing a fire marshal of
> that
>
> ould be a bit tough. Thanks.
>
> aron Johnson
> orthwest Consulting, Inc.
>
>
> Aaron:
>
> NFPA 13 2002 edition A.8.1.1 states:  "This standard contemplates full
> sprinkler
> rotection for all areas..Other NFPA standard that mandate sprinkler
> nstallation might not require sprinklers in certain areas.  The
> requirements
> of
> his standard should be used insofar as they are applicable.
> he AHJ should be consulted in each case.  A building is considered
> sprinklered
> hroughout when protected in accordance with the requirements of this
> standard."
>
> It seems to me that you need to request a modification based on alternative
> aterials and methods (see IFC 104.8 and 104.9).  In short, you will need to
> how the AHJ why there are practical difficulties involved in providing
> prinklers in the area in question and show him that the proposed system
> rovides an equivalent level of protection.  If I were presenting it I would
> be
> eady to offer a minimum design area to 3000 sq. ft. and maybe a rated
> enclosure
> round the unsprinklered area.  I think most AHJ's would go for that.
>
>
> Michael Ricks
> Katco Fire Sprinkler Design
> P.O. Box 607
> 555 South 100 East
> Salem, UT   84653
> 801-423-3096  Cell:  801-380-4651
> [email protected]
>
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