Every conversation I've had in this area goes like this. OK did you consider
roof leaks, wind damage, toilet flooding, IT tech spilling coffee, roof
drain leak, smoke from a fire in another part of the building and every
other conceivable threat to the computer.  If so and the sprinkler is the
last issue then clean agent is right for you otherwise you are probably
better served by making your computer system more redundant.  Have yet to
have a clean agent put in.  Now don't get me wrong there are good places for
these just not these small rooms when overlooking the big picture.  

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Gas systems replacing sprinklers


My apologies for re-visiting this subject but I have been off of here for a
while. 

This was a general question. Not associated with one building type or room
size. It was brought to my attention by the sales person that the fire
marshals are making the contractors put in sprinklers with the gas systems
based on the following code;

NFPA 13 2007
4.1 Level of Protection. A building, where protected by an
automatic sprinkler system installation, shall be provided with
sprinklers in all areas except where specific sections of this
standard permit the omission of sprinklers.

An argument could be based on the following, but it still does not
specifically allow the omission of "water based sprinklers" 

NFPA 13 2007
1.5 Equivalency. Nothing in this standard is intended to prevent
the use of systems, methods, or devices of equivalent or
superior quality, strength, fire resistance, effectiveness, durability,
and safety over those prescribed by this standard. Technical
documentation shall be submitted to the authority having
jurisdiction to demonstrate equivalency. The system,
method, or device shall be approved for the intended purpose
by the authority having jurisdiction.
1.6 New Technology.
1.6.1 Nothing in this standard shall be intended to restrict
Nothing in this standard shall be intended to restrict
new technologies or alternate arrangements, provided the
level of safety prescribed by this standard is not lowered.


The  Novec 1230 systems from Viking are basically designed for a single
room. I have multiple projects around the country that I can use this system
on, small computer rooms around 12'x12'.  The higher temp sprinkler in the
room would act as a backup to the system, but that defeats the purpose of
the gas system to eliminate the chance of a sprinkler accidentally going off
in a room, I know that the odds are very slim, but tell that to building
owners who see them going off all the time in the movies. I guess what it
will come down to is a ruling from each individual fire Marshall. 

Thanks for the help!

Aaron Johnson
Northwest Consulting, Inc.






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Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 7:25 am
Subject: RE: Gas systems replacing sprinklers


Didn't we just visit this question or is my e-mail system doing something
funky?
Aaron, the consensus from the last time we discussed this was that the
building 
ode is what governs whether you can make the substitution or not along with 
pproval by the AHJ.  NFPA has no preference.  
You need to know if the architect took some of the allowances for area
increases 
r egress or other things that were based on the building being fully 
prinklered before attempting to omit sprinklers from any area. 

raig L. Prahl, CET   
ire Protection Specialist
echanical Department
H2MHILL
ockwood Greene
500 International Drive
O Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
irect - 864.599.4102
ax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
ttp://www.ch2m.com 

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rom: [email protected]
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n Behalf Of Michael J. Ricks
ent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:38 AM
o: [email protected]
ubject: Gas systems replacing sprinklers
Does anyone know if NFPA specifically states that a gas fire suppression
system 
an replace a fire sprinkler in a room, or rooms? I scanned and searched and
the 
nly section it addresses that issue is in marine systems 25.1.5, partial 
ystems. Section 1.5 possibly covers it but convincing a fire marshal of that

ould be a bit tough. Thanks.

aron Johnson
orthwest Consulting, Inc. 

 
Aaron:
 
NFPA 13 2002 edition A.8.1.1 states:  "This standard contemplates full
sprinkler 
rotection for all areas..Other NFPA standard that mandate sprinkler 
nstallation might not require sprinklers in certain areas.  The requirements
of 
his standard should be used insofar as they are applicable.
he AHJ should be consulted in each case.  A building is considered
sprinklered 
hroughout when protected in accordance with the requirements of this
standard."
 
It seems to me that you need to request a modification based on alternative 
aterials and methods (see IFC 104.8 and 104.9).  In short, you will need to 
how the AHJ why there are practical difficulties involved in providing 
prinklers in the area in question and show him that the proposed system 
rovides an equivalent level of protection.  If I were presenting it I would
be 
eady to offer a minimum design area to 3000 sq. ft. and maybe a rated
enclosure 
round the unsprinklered area.  I think most AHJ's would go for that.
 
 
Michael Ricks
Katco Fire Sprinkler Design
P.O. Box 607
555 South 100 East
Salem, UT   84653
801-423-3096  Cell:  801-380-4651
[email protected]
 
 
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