Different solutions to the same problem. On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Carrol, > > Definitely hang your hat on the "New Technology" section in NFPA 13. > 1.6 New Technology. > 1.6.1 Nothing in this standard shall be intended to restrict new technologies > or alternate arrangements, provided the > level of safety prescribed by this standard is not lowered. > > Using a newer standard is a new technology or alternate arrangement and it > would be easy to show that newer standards improve the level of safety > prescribed by previous editions. > > As preparation in your discussion, you should know the history of the change > that happened from 2002 to 2007. During the Proposal Phase in 2004, a > current member of the AFSA Board of Directors and former Fire Marshal in > Fairfax, VA submitted a proposal to the NFPA 13 Committee. In ROP 13-726, > Jack Medovich, a Professional Engineer, asked that the annex include language > pointing directly to the "design area" of the small room rule for residential > calc's. He felt that this was always allowed but wanted it to be included as > specific guidance in the annex. The NFPA 13 Committee accepted his idea and > changed the language of the annex. > > In 2005, Ken Isman of the NFSA, a Fellow of the Society of Fire Protection > Engineers, submitted a Comment that incorporated that change into the body of > the standard. In ROC 13-276, his Comment consolidated many of the Chapter 11 > changes made during the ROP and he cites each ROP Log within his Comment. One > of the things the Committee accepted was moving Jack's change into the body > of NFPA 13. > > In my thinking, this makes the Committee's intent for new technology very > clear. I look forward to hearing how this comes out for you. > > And would someone please help me find that electron? I know it's there but > every time I look it's someplace else! > > Sincerely, > > > Cecil Bilbo > Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology > Champaign, IL > www.sprinkleracademy.com > > [email protected] > > > >> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:28:50 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Residential "Room Design Method"? >> To: [email protected] >> >> Guys, >> >> So sorry to have left you hanging last night! I got word from my AHJ last >> evening, that "he (the department) have adopted 2002 and so to please submit >> new >> calcs based on 8.4.5.1 and 8.4.5.1 of the 2002 edition." AAAAUGGGGGHHHH!!! >> I then proceeded to my favorite watering hole for some "inspiration"of my >> own... >> >> In response to your earlier question, Cecil, you are correct, the "small room >> rule" was exactly what I was looking for. I only have a 2002 with me here at >> home and I should have checked the 2007, where I would have found the >> provision >> in 8.6.2.1.2. (ok, maybe I would have found it... : ) >> >> But now, new question.... It has always been my understanding that you can >> cite >> from newer editions but never backward. Can I use 1.5 or 1.6 from 2002 to >> help >> persuade the AHJ to accept 11.3.1.2 from 2007, the newer edition? Any other >> ideas on how I convince him? >> >> ________________________________ >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >
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