My first impulse is to say it isn't actually a true ceiling if it isn't
continuous from wall to wall to trap the heat and there is a ceiling
above it that does so like you indicate.  What you describe below the
true ceiling is an obstruction to sprinkler discharge over 4 ft wide
that lay people might call a ceiling.

It isn't a term actually defined (by itself) in NFPA 13.  (2010) NFPA 13
3.1 refers you to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition
for terms not defined.
My Merriam-Webster College Dictionary isn't the 11th edition [I did just
email my request to order the 11th edition to my boss...]; however,  it
defines a "ceiling" (in its number 1 definition) as "the overhead inside
lining of a room."  [So if it isn't continuous from wall to wall it is
not the true ceiling...] 
 
I recommend you carefully study the definitions in (2010) NFPA 13
Sections 3.3.3 (Ceiling Height) THROUGH 3.3.7 (Drop-Out Ceiling).  Note
in the definition of compartment in 3.3.6 it states "A space COMPLETELY
enclosed by walls and a ceiling."  I also recommend you read the last
three paragraphs of the handbook commentary to (2010) NFPA 13 8.5.5.

On a related note, it is interesting that (2010) NFPA 72, the fire alarm
& signaling code, does define "ceiling" by itself; and, it is also a
standard that covers ceiling mountable devices that are activated by
heat.  (2010) NFPA 72 3.3.1 defines ceiling as "The upper part of a
space, regardless of height.  Areas with a suspended ceiling have two
ceilings, one visible from the floor and one above the suspended
ceiling."

If I've forgotten something else to say on the subject or misspoken, I
hope someone on the will post a reply.

 

David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
Engineering 
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jimmy
Waite
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ceiling "Clouds

I know this has been talked about before, but I am having trouble
getting
onto the archives.  

I have a situation in an auditorium/lecture hall that has a ceiling that
steps down as you get closer to the front of the room.  However, there
is
about a 2'-0 perimeter around the room that is open to the
non-combustible
space above the ceiling.  In this case I'd be willing to sprinkle around
the
opening (sort of like 8.15.1.5 in the '07), but it seems pointless to
provide coverage over this entire lowered ceiling.  Is there any code
that
backs this up? I thought I've heard some, but I don't know where it is.


Thanks,

 Jimmy Waite
 Design Engineer

 [email protected]
 mobile: 919.622.7030

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