I'm not even involved in this discussion but I can vouch for that - it couldn't 
have been because George argued persuasively with volumes of data.   George 
simply argues with volume.

SML
 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops

Believe me, it wasn't because I argued persuasively and with volumes of data.
Remember, I'm a sprinkler guy- what do I know about egress distances?
I know that from this Forum and Convention, I talked to two key Forumites that 
helped me thru what I needed to know- all during the 75 minute drive from here 
to hearing.
Funniest recollection of that was an FPE saying "You could say that" in 
response to my intended logic trail. So I said "so its valid and credible" or 
something like that.
The FPE responded with " No, YOU could say that but I couldn't-I know better."
It worked and the Architect was a sharp cookie who was likely FAR more 
competent than me to understand the egress distance.
I pretty much harped on ESFR effectiveness, and how the test videos show 40 
seconds of big flame going up, POP, and 40 seconds till the fire is beat down 
to the crib.

George Church
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven D. 
(CSFD)
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops

That's sneaky. Lol not sure I'd agree to that. 


Steven Smith, CFPS | Fire Protection Engineer II Colorado Springs Fire 
Department | Division of the Fire Marshal 



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops

Here's where you're going, Ron, was there and won in a variance- your mileage 
may vary:

IBC allows an exemption for egress distance with heat and smoke vents for 
exceeding 250'; I argued somehow successfully that we could follow the code 
like this:
Design building with heat and smoke vents to allow exceeding egress distance
Then replace standard sprinklers with ESFR and the need for the vents 
disappears- BUT the egress distance could stay.
It helped an architect chaired the variance committee.
Ironically, my customer's competitor was in front of us with same request for 
another big box, and their "expert" was tied up in traffic.
So I testified, at my customer's request, for their competitor since we needed 
them to win their variance.
Then stood up for my customer and said "what I just said" and that was enough.

George Church
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
[email protected]


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