Point! No, no, no! You don't get a point. Just a point well taken. George does have volume. In fact I think it's 11.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not even involved in this discussion but I can vouch for that - it > couldn't have been because George argued persuasively with volumes of data. > George simply argues with volume. > > SML > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops > > Believe me, it wasn't because I argued persuasively and with volumes of data. > Remember, I'm a sprinkler guy- what do I know about egress distances? > I know that from this Forum and Convention, I talked to two key Forumites > that helped me thru what I needed to know- all during the 75 minute drive > from here to hearing. > Funniest recollection of that was an FPE saying "You could say that" in > response to my intended logic trail. So I said "so its valid and credible" or > something like that. > The FPE responded with " No, YOU could say that but I couldn't-I know better." > It worked and the Architect was a sharp cookie who was likely FAR more > competent than me to understand the egress distance. > I pretty much harped on ESFR effectiveness, and how the test videos show 40 > seconds of big flame going up, POP, and 40 seconds till the fire is beat down > to the crib. > > George Church > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven > D. (CSFD) > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops > > That's sneaky. Lol not sure I'd agree to that. > > > Steven Smith, CFPS | Fire Protection Engineer II Colorado Springs Fire > Department | Division of the Fire Marshal > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops > > Here's where you're going, Ron, was there and won in a variance- your mileage > may vary: > > IBC allows an exemption for egress distance with heat and smoke vents for > exceeding 250'; I argued somehow successfully that we could follow the code > like this: > Design building with heat and smoke vents to allow exceeding egress distance > Then replace standard sprinklers with ESFR and the need for the vents > disappears- BUT the egress distance could stay. > It helped an architect chaired the variance committee. > Ironically, my customer's competitor was in front of us with same request for > another big box, and their "expert" was tied up in traffic. > So I testified, at my customer's request, for their competitor since we > needed them to win their variance. > Then stood up for my customer and said "what I just said" and that was enough. > > George Church > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
