Point! No, no, no! You don't get a point. Just a point well taken.
George does have volume. In fact I think it's 11.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not even involved in this discussion but I can vouch for that - it 
> couldn't have been because George argued persuasively with volumes of data.   
> George simply argues with volume.
>
> SML
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops
>
> Believe me, it wasn't because I argued persuasively and with volumes of data.
> Remember, I'm a sprinkler guy- what do I know about egress distances?
> I know that from this Forum and Convention, I talked to two key Forumites 
> that helped me thru what I needed to know- all during the 75 minute drive 
> from here to hearing.
> Funniest recollection of that was an FPE saying "You could say that" in 
> response to my intended logic trail. So I said "so its valid and credible" or 
> something like that.
> The FPE responded with " No, YOU could say that but I couldn't-I know better."
> It worked and the Architect was a sharp cookie who was likely FAR more 
> competent than me to understand the egress distance.
> I pretty much harped on ESFR effectiveness, and how the test videos show 40 
> seconds of big flame going up, POP, and 40 seconds till the fire is beat down 
> to the crib.
>
> George Church
> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
> PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
> 877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven 
> D. (CSFD)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:34 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops
>
> That's sneaky. Lol not sure I'd agree to that.
>
>
> Steven Smith, CFPS | Fire Protection Engineer II Colorado Springs Fire 
> Department | Division of the Fire Marshal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:30 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops
>
> Here's where you're going, Ron, was there and won in a variance- your mileage 
> may vary:
>
> IBC allows an exemption for egress distance with heat and smoke vents for 
> exceeding 250'; I argued somehow successfully that we could follow the code 
> like this:
> Design building with heat and smoke vents to allow exceeding egress distance
> Then replace standard sprinklers with ESFR and the need for the vents 
> disappears- BUT the egress distance could stay.
> It helped an architect chaired the variance committee.
> Ironically, my customer's competitor was in front of us with same request for 
> another big box, and their "expert" was tied up in traffic.
> So I testified, at my customer's request, for their competitor since we 
> needed them to win their variance.
> Then stood up for my customer and said "what I just said" and that was enough.
>
> George Church
> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
> PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
> 877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
> [email protected]
>
>
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