Look at the end of your message. Punctuation? Minus 2 points.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Law, Kevin W <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dang it!!!!!!!  I thought that I should have run the spell check before I 
> sent it.  My high school biology teacher would publicly roast me for my lack 
> of spelling prowess.  (I did run it this time)
>
>
> Kevin Law, PE
> Sr. Fire Protection Engineer
> HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE
> Bechtel National - WTP Project
> Ph.   509-371-3280
> Cell   509-531-5715
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:04 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Sprinkler under first accessible landing
>
> But Kevin gets graded as incompetent for misspelling incompetent
> (incopitent) (and I almost incompetently misspelled the way he misspelled 
> incompetent). :0)
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:59 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
>> We don't bash anyone PE or non-PE who has interest in this forum for
>> the sake of learning.  It's those who think they know it all and have
>> no desire to learn or listen that we like to barbeque.  ;)
>>
>> Active participation that has educational value is always welcome and 
>> encouraged.
>>
>> Stuff showing how dumb or arrogant some people are also provides 
>> entertainment value which we need now and then as well.
>>
>> Craig L. Prahl, CET
>> Fire Protection
>> CH2MHILL
>> Lockwood Greene
>> 1500 International Drive
>> Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
>> Direct - 864.599.4102
>> Fax - 864.599.8439
>> CH2MHILL Extension  74102
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Law,
>> Kevin W
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:55 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing
>>
>> Be gentle, now.........I appreciate that you said only "no gold star" 
>> instead of going off on a rant about incopitent engineers.  Some of us do 
>> try to learn and willing to listen to reason........
>>
>>
>> Kevin Law, PE
>> Sr. Fire Protection Engineer
>> HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE
>> Bechtel National - WTP Project
>> Ph.   509-371-3280
>> Cell   509-531-5715
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> [email protected]
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:39 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing
>>
>> Under the lowest landing due to the possibility of that space being used for 
>> storage.  If the space is totally enclosed then there is no access for 
>> storage and no head is required if the stair is non-combustible.  The spec 
>> is correct.  <sigh> The Engineer has taken some license on his quote of the 
>> 13 section.  The word "accessible" is not in the script.  So no gold star 
>> for him.
>>
>>
>> NFPA 13, 2007 - 8.15.3.2.1 "In noncombustible stair shafts having 
>> noncombustible stairs with noncombustible or limited combustible finishes, 
>> sprinklers shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first 
>> landing above the bottom of the shaft."
>>
>> Craig L. Prahl, CET
>> Fire Protection
>> CH2MHILL
>> Lockwood Greene
>> 1500 International Drive
>> Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
>> Direct - 864.599.4102
>> Fax - 864.599.8439
>> CH2MHILL Extension  74102
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cory
>> Power
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:19 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Sprinkler under first accessible landing
>>
>> I have an an engineer asking to provide a sprinkler under the first
>> landing of a non-combustible stairwell. The spec for the job states
>> that "Sprinkler shall be installed at top of shaft. Space below first
>> landing is considered concealed, non-accessible, non-combustible, and
>> hence does not require sprinkler protection."
>>
>> he engineer who is reviewing my plans sent me an email stating the
>> following:
>>
>> *8.15.3.2 Noncombustible Construction.*
>>
>> *8.15.3.2.1 *In noncombustible stair shafts having noncombustible
>> stairs with noncombustible or limited-combustible finishes, sprinklers
>> shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first
>> accessible*landing*above the bottom of the shaft.
>>
>> We always took this to mean the sprinklers are required under the
>> first landing? And by accessible we took this to mean access could be
>> provided by a access panel.."
>>
>> Is this the way I should be interpreting the code? Do I still have to
>> sprinkler under the landing and make sure there's an access hatch? or
>> should I be able to omit it like the spec indicates?
>>
>> I have been following this forum for a while now. This is the first
>> question I have posted.
>>
>>
>> - Cory
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