Look at the end of your message. Punctuation? Minus 2 points. On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Law, Kevin W <[email protected]> wrote: > Dang it!!!!!!! I thought that I should have run the spell check before I > sent it. My high school biology teacher would publicly roast me for my lack > of spelling prowess. (I did run it this time) > > > Kevin Law, PE > Sr. Fire Protection Engineer > HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE > Bechtel National - WTP Project > Ph. 509-371-3280 > Cell 509-531-5715 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > But Kevin gets graded as incompetent for misspelling incompetent > (incopitent) (and I almost incompetently misspelled the way he misspelled > incompetent). :0) > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:59 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> We don't bash anyone PE or non-PE who has interest in this forum for >> the sake of learning. It's those who think they know it all and have >> no desire to learn or listen that we like to barbeque. ;) >> >> Active participation that has educational value is always welcome and >> encouraged. >> >> Stuff showing how dumb or arrogant some people are also provides >> entertainment value which we need now and then as well. >> >> Craig L. Prahl, CET >> Fire Protection >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Law, >> Kevin W >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:55 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing >> >> Be gentle, now.........I appreciate that you said only "no gold star" >> instead of going off on a rant about incopitent engineers. Some of us do >> try to learn and willing to listen to reason........ >> >> >> Kevin Law, PE >> Sr. Fire Protection Engineer >> HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE >> Bechtel National - WTP Project >> Ph. 509-371-3280 >> Cell 509-531-5715 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:39 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing >> >> Under the lowest landing due to the possibility of that space being used for >> storage. If the space is totally enclosed then there is no access for >> storage and no head is required if the stair is non-combustible. The spec >> is correct. <sigh> The Engineer has taken some license on his quote of the >> 13 section. The word "accessible" is not in the script. So no gold star >> for him. >> >> >> NFPA 13, 2007 - 8.15.3.2.1 "In noncombustible stair shafts having >> noncombustible stairs with noncombustible or limited combustible finishes, >> sprinklers shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first >> landing above the bottom of the shaft." >> >> Craig L. Prahl, CET >> Fire Protection >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >> [email protected] >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cory >> Power >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:19 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Sprinkler under first accessible landing >> >> I have an an engineer asking to provide a sprinkler under the first >> landing of a non-combustible stairwell. The spec for the job states >> that "Sprinkler shall be installed at top of shaft. Space below first >> landing is considered concealed, non-accessible, non-combustible, and >> hence does not require sprinkler protection." >> >> he engineer who is reviewing my plans sent me an email stating the >> following: >> >> *8.15.3.2 Noncombustible Construction.* >> >> *8.15.3.2.1 *In noncombustible stair shafts having noncombustible >> stairs with noncombustible or limited-combustible finishes, sprinklers >> shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first >> accessible*landing*above the bottom of the shaft. >> >> We always took this to mean the sprinklers are required under the >> first landing? And by accessible we took this to mean access could be >> provided by a access panel.." >> >> Is this the way I should be interpreting the code? Do I still have to >> sprinkler under the landing and make sure there's an access hatch? or >> should I be able to omit it like the spec indicates? >> >> I have been following this forum for a while now. This is the first >> question I have posted. >> >> >> - Cory >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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