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Steven Scandaliato, SET CFPS
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Fredrick MD, Seismic Zone?

You would hope someone edited the spec and just didn't leave in the boiler
plate stuff (stop laughing) but you can't rely on that being the case.  I've
seen plenty of specs where all the EQ lingo and requirements were still
shown as being required and the Design Category was an "A".  

So yeah, I'd launch an RFI for sure.  Make someone do the job they were paid
to do.



Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SCĀ  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard
Mote
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Fredrick MD, Seismic Zone?

RFI time, the specifications call for bracing. I was tasked with finding out
if bracing is indeed required. I've wasted enough of my time and the forums
time. 
The structural sheet calls it;
Risk Category III
Seismic Importance Factor 1.25
There are places for about 10 more line of information but they all have X's
where there should be data.


Richard L. Mote
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Fredrick MD, Seismic Zone?

Right.  Provisions for seismic protection of buildings and building systems
in the IBC and also in NFPA 13 are now all based on ASCE 7.  We rolled a new
code on 1/1/14, so moved forward to ASCE 7, 2010 here in
CA.   ASCE standards establish parameters for when a building is
required to be seismically engineered.   The structural engineer of
record for a given project is usually charged - sometimes in conjunction
with the soils engineer - with determining whether a particular parcel is
subject to those provisions.  As Travis says, seismic has changed; IMHO,
it's not for the sprinkie to determine if seismic protection is required,
only to verify with the SEOR or through the construction documents whether
or not it's required.

Steve Leyton




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis
Mack
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fredrick MD, Seismic Zone?

Seismic has changed DRASTICALLY from what we used to do.  The SE will have
to provide you the structural design category and the Ss for the project.
Hopefully it is SDC of A or B and you don't have to worry about anything.

But, it is definitely no longer 40' / 80' and 4 way every change in
direction.

Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
2508 E Lodgepole Drive
Gilbert, AZ 85298
480-505-9271
fax: 866-430-6107
email:[email protected]

On 1/23/2014 9:38 AM, Richard Mote wrote:
> Structural design notes sheet is no help, we are sending an RFI for
clarification. I haven't  had to worry about seismic locally for about
10.5 years so I am not as well versed as I should be.
>
> Richard L. Mote
> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Travis Mack
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fredrick MD, Seismic Zone?
>
> What does the structural design notes sheet provide?  Is it Seismic
Category C or higher.  If so, bracing is required on fire sprinkler systems.
I don't think the seismic maps really apply any longer.  You need to know
the Seismic Design Category, then you need the Ss values so you can
calculate your bracing.
>
> Travis Mack, SET
> MFP Design, LLC
> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> 480-505-9271
> fax: 866-430-6107
> email:[email protected]
>
> On 1/23/2014 9:15 AM, Richard Mote wrote:
>> Can someone with experience in the area tell me if Seismic bracing is
required in Fredrick Maryland? (21701) According to the maps I found online
at appears to be the same seismic category as central PA, but not having
worked in the area before I wanted to be sure there wasn't some local
requirement.
>>
>> Richard L. Mote
>> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
>> 7994 Route 522, Suite 1
>> PO Box 407
>> Middleburg, PA 17842
>> P 570-837-7647
>> F 570-837-6335
>>
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