Occupancy doesn't relate to design density but it does determine whether sprinklers are required. B occupancy under most conditions does not require sprinklers per code. But this is a different conversation.......
Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29303 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cahill, Christopher Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Beauty Salon/Day Spa How is IBC occupancy classifications relevant to the question of sprinkler density? There is no correlation IMHO. That's like saying we ignore 5,000 sq.ft. of rack storage of the plastic packaging where it's in the 100,000 sq.ft. metal widget factory. Protect the hazard not the occupancy classification out of a document that is irrelevant to sprinkler design. Ask the question in an exiting forum and now I'm with you. To the question, I could go either way. Though strong lean to OHII because it may not be a salon for long. Then what is the owner going to do when a real mercantile comes in. I haven't been to one in a while. Aren't there still aerosols? How about the stock room, assuming they have one? If it's truly light amounts of products and the owner understands limitations I could go along with LH. Chris Cahill, PE* Associate Fire Protection Engineer Burns & McDonnell Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 [email protected] www.burnsmcd.com *Registered in: MN Proud to be #14 on FORTUNE's 2014 List of 100 Best Companies to Work For -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Beauty Salon/Day Spa Adding to Bobs cite; IBC 508.2 Accessory Occupancies John Drucker Assistant Construction Official Fire Protection Subcode Official Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector Borough of Red Bank, NJ 90 Monmouth Street Red Bank, New Jersey 07701 Cel/Text: 732-904-6823 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Holland Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Beauty Salon/Day Spa IBC Section 304, Business Group B, lists 'barber and beauty shops' . ROBERT HOLLAND Jr. AIA, CDT, LEED AP, PMP ARCHITECTS / ENGINEERS / INTERIOR DESIGNERS 7400 West Campus Rd. Suite 150 New Albany, OH 43054 www.shremshock.com t 614 545 4550 x 286 f 614 545 4555 [email protected] Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Beauty Salon/Day Spa Its most likely a B Use, 10% of which may be considered accessory. Code cites to follow. John Drucker - Mobile Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote: Is it stand alone or in a strip mall. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tim Stone <[email protected]> wrote: > Just check with the AHJ. > > Regards, > G. Tim Stone > > G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC > NICET Level III Engineering Technician Fire Protection Sprinkler > Design and Consulting Services > > 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 > CELL: (802) 373-0638 TEL: (802) 434-2968 Fax: (802) 434-4343 > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of Todd - Work > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 3:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Beauty Salon/Day Spa > > Tim, If there was a dedicated retail section, I would agree with you. > However, having a few bottles of shampoo and body oil on a shelf in a > room that otherwise looks more like an office I have a hard time > justifying as mercantile. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 5, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Tim Stone <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Todd, > > Usually they sell product too. Mercantile. > > > > Regards, > > G. Tim Stone > > > > G. 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