Not shocked but I believe it is being oversimplified.  Even the pipe schedule 
varied depending on the expected relative fire.  Let’s take it off for for any 
additional exchanges.


Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/>





> On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Most sprinkler people are shocked when I tell them that Roland, but it is
> true. "had nothing to do with fire", not 'have'.
> Early '70s Kansas City, Ks contractor with big 3M projects, lots of 8" pipe.
> "What if we make the 2nd piece 1.25" instead of 1"?, could we make the main
> 6"? The first calculations were done to compare what a scheduled system
> would produce with a low, medium, and high Water Supply, and VOILA!... calcs
> are born. Another quote from the same man is "pipe scheduled systems had
> worked fine for 90 years at the time", so why bring fire into it? :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 2:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Beauty Salon/Day Spa
> 
> I'm at a loss in how one could say the curves have nothing to do with the
> fire while the definitions are all about fire related variables.  Granted
> they are not quantified but are relative descriptions of a fire.
> 
> 
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> Dallas, TX
> http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, if one thinks about it, IBC has as much to do with density as
> NFPA
>> 13 does in a way, because the density/area curves "had nothing to do with
>> fire" according to the first person to use the curves (he invented them).
>> NFPA #13 Occupancy Classifications are based on Low, Moderate and High,
>> Quan/Comb and HRR, and "example occupancies" are given instead of numbers.
>> 
>> Brad 
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