Yes. This is where it is confusing. Those draft curtains referenced in NFPA 13 are talking about the draft curtains for separating ESFR from standard sprinklers, separating areas of different hazards and in the water spray systems.
I will let everyone know what the tyco guys say on this. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Juan Munguia <[email protected]> wrote: > > Got it...Here is some info for Draft Curtains: > NFPA 13 Section A.3.3.8 > A.3.3.8 Draft Curtain. Additional information about the sizeand > installation of draft curtains can be found in NFPA 204. > From CBC: > *910.3.5.1 Construction. *Draft curtains shall be constructed of sheet > metal, lath and plaster, gypsum board or other *approved *materials which > provide equivalent performance to resist the passage of smoke. Joints and > connections shall be smoke tight. [F] > >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> These are not draft stops. They are draft curtains required by the listing >> of the sprinkler. >> >> The listing only states it has to be constructed of a material that does >> not let heat pass over or through. >> >> Travis Mack, SET >> MFP Design, LLC >> "Follow" us on Facebook: >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >> Send large files to MFP Design via: >> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 10:28 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Here is some food for though... >>> >>> Check out NFPA 13 Section 8.14.5.2 (3) >>> >>> ...The draft stop has to stay in place before and during sprinkler >> operation. >>> >>> This is from the CBC: >>> 718.3.1 Draftstopping materials. >>> Draftstopping materials shall not be less than 1/2-inch (12.7 mm) gypsum >> board, 3/8-inch (9.5 mm) wood structural panel, 3/8-inch (9.5 mm) >> particleboard, 1-inch (25-mm) nominal lumber, cement fiberboard, batts or >> blankets of mineral wool or glass fiber, or other approved materials >> adequately supported. The integrity of draftstops shall be maintained. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:20 PM, rongreenman . <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ed has a good point. I was thinking the opposite, is it heavy enough to >> not >>>> blow around? >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah. They just want to staple in place at top. >>>>> >>>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>>> "Follow" us on Facebook: >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>>> Send large files to MFP Design via: >>>>> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:45 PM, rongreenman . <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> just let it hang vertically along a long edge? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Travis Mack, SET < >> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a customer that is asking if batt insulation can be secured to >>>>> the >>>>>>> roof decking and used as a draft curtain for the Tyco CC >> sprinklers. I >>>>>>> have never seen an application such as this, but it doesn't seem to >> be >>>>>>> prohibited in the datasheet. The only requirement is that it must be >>>>>>> constructed of a material so that heat can not pass through or over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think? Could insulation secured to the roof/floor deck >>>>> serve >>>>>>> as a draft curtain for these sprinklers? My gut feeling is that it >>>>> would >>>>>>> not be suitable, but I can't find something in the data sheet to >> support >>>>>>> that. My only thought is that activation of a sprinkler could >> possibly >>>>>>> knock the insulation down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>>>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>>>>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>>>>>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>>>>>> 480-505-9271 >>>>>>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>>>>>> email:[email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>>>>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ron Greenman >>>>>> Instructor >>>>>> Fire Protection Engineering Technology >>>>>> Bates Technical College >>>>>> 1101 So. 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